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post #21 of 99 (permalink) Old 02-25-2009, 06:23 PM
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People go to jail to protect the rest of society from them, and a doctor gives a girl morphine because he's qualified to do so and knows what dosage to give without causing any harm, both those things are way different than killing someone IMO.

If a guy kills someone because he honestly believed the person he killed deserved to die, and the courts don't accept that as justification, then how is it justifiable for them to assume that HE deserves to be killed?
Doctors give a girl morphine - instead of YOU giving her morphine - because we assume that they know what they're doing, and have put the trust in them to administer it to her, to protect her from well-meaning, but ill-informed (or just plain stupid) individuals from overdosing her.

And just like that, society has given the courts and judicial system the trust that they will, in accordance with the checks and balances, make a good decision. And just like with the doctor, society does not trust the judgement of any individual citizen (however good their intentions) to make summary executions, as they may be anything from ill-informed to just plain stupid.

In both cases, *someone* has to do something deadly, or potentially so. And in both cases, society has said "Huh, we shouldn't trust just any old dude to make the decision. We need someone who knows what they're doing, set standards to follow, and a system that is accountable."

There are probably about a million other things that individuals can't do, that governments can, because individuals have no checks or balances. Writing speeding tickets, driving tanks, killing people, and everything in between.

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Doctors give a girl morphine - instead of YOU giving her morphine - because we assume that they know what they're doing, and have put the trust in them to administer it to her, to protect her from well-meaning, but ill-informed (or just plain stupid) individuals from overdosing her.

And just like that, society has given the courts and judicial system the trust that they will, in accordance with the checks and balances, make a good decision. And just like with the doctor, society does not trust the judgement of any individual citizen (however good their intentions) to make summary executions, as they may be anything from ill-informed to just plain stupid.

In both cases, *someone* has to do something deadly, or potentially so. And in both cases, society has said "Huh, we shouldn't trust just any old dude to make the decision. We need someone who knows what they're doing, set standards to follow, and a system that is accountable."

There are probably about a million other things that individuals can't do, that governments can, because individuals have no checks or balances. Writing speeding tickets, driving tanks, killing people, and everything in between.
So I can't get some morphine for when I drive my tank around? Stupid governmental involvement!


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****, send them to Australia.
We already tried that...now they consider themselves a civilized country.

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You can't just take em out the back of the court house and shoot them.
I'm liking this idea...

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Like XitUp said, you can give them back the rest of their life. If they're innocent and we execute them (it has happened, still happens, and will continue to happen as long as we have the death penalty), then we killed an innocent man. If that happens, what makes us better than an ordinary killer?
As long as we have a prison system, innocents are locked up. This isn't a perfect world.

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Doctors give a girl morphine - instead of YOU giving her morphine - because we assume that they know what they're doing, and have put the trust in them to administer it to her, to protect her from well-meaning, but ill-informed (or just plain stupid) individuals from overdosing her.
Not sure if you know what medical school is like, but I'm assuming you don't. That's why doctors administer drugs to people rather then any other individual who hasn't gone to medical school/training for it.

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There are probably about a million other things that individuals can't do, that governments can, because individuals have no checks or balances. Writing speeding tickets, driving tanks, killing people, and everything in between.
People writing tickets and driving tanks are individuals too no? They are trained to do so.

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I'm liking this idea...
This isn't the 1800s anymore, despite how much you conservatives would like it to be.


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As long as we have a prison system, innocents are locked up. This isn't a perfect world.
If I were to be given the choice to be wrongfully killed or wrongfully imprisoned, I wouldn't even have to think twice about my decision (imprisonment).
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This isn't the 1800s anymore, despite how much you conservatives would like it to be.
I was being sarcastic if you didn't catch on. My bad if I didn't imply my sarcasm more.

BUT

Conservatives would love to have justice taken care of like back in the 1800's? Please, enlighten me.

There are many liberals who are pro-capitol punishment.




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If I were to be given the choice to be wrongfully killed or wrongfully imprisoned, I wouldn't even have to think twice about my decision (imprisonment).
I'm pro-death penalty when the guy has been proven guilty and there is 0 chance for his innocence.

I'm just pointing out that this isn't a perfect world.

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I was being sarcastic if you didn't catch on. My bad if I didn't imply my sarcasm more.

BUT

Conservatives would love to have justice taken care of like back in the 1800's? Please, enlighten me.

There are many liberals who are pro-capitol punishment.






I'm pro-death penalty when the guy has been proven guilty and there is 0 chance for his innocence.

I'm just pointing out that this isn't a perfect world.
There is only 0 chance for his innocence when the death penalty is taken off the table in exchange for a confession. Otherwise there is always a chance.

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There is only 0 chance for his innocence when the death penalty is taken off the table in exchange for a confession. Otherwise there is always a chance.
Just forget about Ted Bundy and John Gacy.

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