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post #161 of 167 (permalink) Old 11-30-2009, 03:51 AM
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Learned behaviors and instincts is where the definition of right and wrong comes from. Morals and values were around long before religion actually...obviously here you will counter with "the Creator put them there though" and then the back and forth will start. If you think for one second that people act morally (or legally) because of God's wishes then just look around where police are not present or have gone on strike (Montreal in the 80's) and look at the mayhem currently or that had taken place under those circumstances. People fear punishment and not some potential eternal punishment because well let's be honest anyway...all is forgiven right...unless you worship a different God because that and killing yourself are unforgivable in your maker's eyes. So is he jealous or forgiving? I am still unsure.

There is nothing that proves or disproves the existence of God. People are set in their ways and usually only personal life changing situations will change them. As it stands right now...I am a logical, technical, science based, analytical man and can see absolutely no reason to believe in something so preposterous as an omnipotent being that created, maintains, and controls our every thought, action, and outcome. Especially since most don't even believe in the same one(s).
Like I said way before dude, to me its all about just you and God so for me would I call myself a "Christian" by todays standards? yes, but that doesnt mean people would disagree...anyone who judges you and says they are a "christian" is abosolutely retarded and needs to recognize that only God can judge you, no one else. Enough of all this religion talk man, I need a beer!!! haha
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post #162 of 167 (permalink) Old 11-30-2009, 04:02 AM
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Question 1. God performs different kinds of miracles for Amputees. God wants people to follow him through faith, so performing a miracle of that magnitude will either lead people to him blindly which he doesn't want, or they'll dismiss it as an act of god and give thanks to a doctor.

As for the rest of the video.. I'll get pissed off if I finish it.


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Where do you think that morals and values come from? And I am not just saying those that are within the law, I am talking about everyday things such as showing your parents respect, being a kind person, holding the door for people, not cheating on your spouse etc. because you know its wrong? Seriously? What is your arguement on that? Every single person in this entire world knows whats right and wrong, its whether they choose to do right or wrong. Atheism is okay, really it has no impact on my life whatsoever so when atheists sit there and bash religion it doesnt bother me one bit. I just wonder how people can think like that, but then again, I wouldn't understand that thought because they are not me and vise versa. No hate from me whatsoever, to each his own.
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Learned behaviors and instincts is where the definition of right and wrong comes from. Morals and values were around long before religion actually...obviously here you will counter with "the Creator put them there though" and then the back and forth will start. If you think for one second that people act morally (or legally) because of God's wishes then just look around where police are not present or have gone on strike (Montreal in the 80's) and look at the mayhem currently or that had taken place under those circumstances. People fear punishment and not some potential eternal punishment because well let's be honest anyway...all is forgiven right...unless you worship a different God because that and killing yourself are unforgivable in your maker's eyes. So is he jealous or forgiving? I am still unsure.
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There, there is your answer.

Morality was there long, long before "religion" (what is religion anyway? aside from a man made phenomenon...). You don't need religion to be moral.

Question for you though...why aren't you a Hindu? or Muslim? or Buddist? Do you think you have "chosen" your religion?

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I have debated this topic so much, and I followed debates about it so much, that I feel tired just thinking about it.

Fact is, I have grown up in a very strict Christian society. South Africans take their religion quite serious. What I have learned about religion is that people don't need to know God, to follow His basic rules.

I know quite a few atheists, that I regard as better persons than many Christians I know. The sad thing is when Christians start pointing fingers, and thinking they are better for believing in God.

One thing is for sure. There is no conclusive evidence that there is a God, and there is no conclusive evidence that there isn't a God. The Bible is written by men, and they made quite a few mistakes.

Also, today Christians pick and choose what text in the Bible they like and which not. Some of them judge other people simply based on their religious affiliation. That is one of the biggest mistakes Atheists and Christians alike are doing today.

I have learned that you should rather get your own house in order before trying to point fingers or blame other people around you for the things that goes wrong in your life. Ignore their religious affiliation and rather concentrate on treating people like you would like to be treated. It is quite simple actually.
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Not really anything to do with religion as a whole, but this got me wondering:
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For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
^Does this mean that good christians should kill all priests?
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One thing is for sure. There is no conclusive evidence that there is a God, and there is no conclusive evidence that there isn't a God.
By the same logic, one can say that there is a monster made of sand paper living on one of saturn's moons. There is no conclusive evidence that there is such a monster, and there is no conclusive evidence that there isn't such a monster.

Just because you can't conclusively prove something doesn't mean you can't make an estimate on the probability. This is where agnostics fail, they assert that both sides are equal, which they aren't. They essentially say "I'm not picking a side because its 50/50 probability" which is totally bogus. The burden of proof does not lie to DISPROVE there is a god, but rather to PROVE it. No such evidence has been presented in thousands of years. I call this a very unlikely probability.

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