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Old 04-22-2009, 12:30 AM   #71 (permalink)
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They're brainwashed from an early age and taught to not question their beliefs. It's not based on any logical thought.
I almost made this exact post then decided not to. I mean mine related to feeling like I'm doing something bad while im having sex even now that im married. But yea, nail on the head, its a ****ed up thing.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:21 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I wonder how many people on here who are so brash with their comments have actually studied religious history beyond what they read on the internet. I would guess not too many.

I also wonder why some of you are so hostile towards Christianity? I have never seen a Christian poster starting a thread attacking non-believers? It's too funny to me in reality. I swear some people get so insecure and touchy when it comes to other people's beliefs. LOL
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:01 AM   #73 (permalink)
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I wonder how many people on here who are so brash with their comments have actually studied religious history beyond what they read on the internet. I would guess not too many.
Well, first of all, what's wrong with the information on the internet? The internet is one of the most important inventions in history, what's wrong with using it? Second of all, I (along with MANY other atheists) went to Catholic school where I was forced to take classes on religion and study the Bible. I also had a Bar Mitzvah, and guess what I had to study before I had it? That's right, the Bible. I've believed for a very long time that there is no quicker route to atheism than exposure to religion.

The question isn't how many atheists have read the Bible; it's how many Christians have.

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What's hostile about stating the fact that there is no evidence to support God's existence?

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I have never seen a Christian poster starting a thread attacking non-believers? It's too funny to me in reality. I swear some people get so insecure and touchy when it comes to other people's beliefs. LOL
As soon as people start criticizing Christianity, you claim we're "attacking" Christians. Who's insecure?

If you don't want to discuss your beliefs that's fine, just don't post in a thread that's all about religious beliefs.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:33 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Well, first of all, what's wrong with the information on the internet? The internet is one of the most important inventions in history, what's wrong with using it? Second of all, I (along with MANY other atheists) went to Catholic school where I was forced to take classes on religion and study the Bible. I also had a Bar Mitzvah, and guess what I had to study before I had it? That's right, the Bible. I've believed for a very long time that there is no quicker route to atheism than exposure to religion.

The question isn't how many atheists have read the Bible; it's how many Christians have.


What's hostile about stating the fact that there is no evidence to support God's existence?


As soon as people start criticizing Christianity, you claim we're "attacking" Christians. Who's insecure?

If you don't want to discuss your beliefs that's fine, just don't post in a thread that's all about religious beliefs.
Yeah, I'm sure you can get just as informed by reading a few websites compared to years of study at an academic university.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:51 AM   #75 (permalink)
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This is the exact reason why religion is bad. They "scare" you into wanting to believe that it's true, otherwise you go to hell when you die? It's pretty bullshit.
My problem with this, is that you're taking your basis of knowledge which sounds like Christian doctrine, and generalizing all religion with it. Not all religions bully you into believing in God or you will suffer eternal damnation.

I don't know much about religion, but I do know that it can be a tool of empowerment and in the wrong hands, devastation.

I believe in spirituality, but I don't necessarily believe in an omnipotent being. Life is too strange of an experience to simply end with nothingness, in my belief. I'm not saying there's an afterlife, and I'm not pushing that idea on anyone, I just feel as though there's something beyond our understanding and reach in this world. The body is simply a shell to me.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:17 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Yeah, I'm sure you can get just as informed by reading a few websites compared to years of study at an academic university.
Nobody said that. But you can get a lot done on the internet. You can read pretty much every text that is relevant to the subject. The Bible, Darwin, Dawkins, etc can all be read straight from the internet. There's more than enough information on the internet to help someone form an educated, intelligent opinion about religion.
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Old 04-22-2009, 08:58 AM   #77 (permalink)
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I don't think holding onto the belief in something greater than yourself is pathetic at all. I don't get dragged into arguments on religion so I'll just leave this thread alone for the time being. People get way too emotional. People can believe whatever they want. Some just aren't comfortable with that, and want to force their beliefs or non-beliefs on others.
Holding onto a belief because it is "nice" is pathetic. It's the syupidest reason ever for believieng in an afterlife.
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You're right, I shouldn't have said sad. That was judgmental on my part. I don't think one religion is more "realistic" than another. And believing is just as "realistic" as not believing from my point of view, and years of study.
Of course it is. I assume you are a christian? Lets compare beliefs.
I believe in Science, and don't lay any claim to understanding things it can't explain. You believe a zombie jew carpenter capable of performing miracles who was never conceived in the first place died to save you from your sins and then ascended to heaven. Which of our set of beliefs is more realistic?

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No, believing is definitely not as "realistic" as not believing. Not even close (depending on what you mean by "believing". I'm assuming you mean believing in Yahweh). There is no evidence to support God's existence (again, talking about Yahweh here), so where's the reason to believe? What makes this belief "realistic"?


No, it is pretty pathetic. If the entire reason you believe in God is because "it's nice", then you really need to reevaluate your entire belief system.

Since when is discussing beliefs the same thing as forcing one's beliefs on to others?

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Hit the nail on the head on all issues there.


GSP IS KING, do you have any idea how many first hand sources, journals and full books are present online?

And if you had studied religion, I doubt you'd be quite as crap at defending it as you appear to be.
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I wonder how many people on here who are so brash with their comments have actually studied religious history beyond what they read on the internet. I would guess not too many.

I also wonder why some of you are so hostile towards Christianity? I have never seen a Christian poster starting a thread attacking non-believers? It's too funny to me in reality. I swear some people get so insecure and touchy when it comes to other people's beliefs. LOL
I personally think christians can be awesome people...but a few bad apples have stretched my tolerance and patience in the last few days for personal reasons.

I guess in every religion you get the ones who want to do the right thing and are understanding of others, those that want to covert and those that are totally uneducated and totally flame in the wrong direction.

And the last two ruin it for everyone.
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Man, theirs some jaded people here. Seriously, is all you think of when you think of religion, crazy religious freaks and molesting priests? Most Christians are good honest hard working people. Sure theirs crazy ones in the bunch but you can say that about any group. I go under the opinion of, if I wasnt their when it happened, I dont know better than you and you dont know better than me. Religion can be completely false, so can science, your stupid to believe either is completely true.
I challenge that line about any group...how many Atheists have committed an act of terrorists in the name of Atheists?


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Yeah, I'm sure you can get just as informed by reading a few websites compared to years of study at an academic university.
difference between internet and university in many cases is price and the slanted views of a professor. If I read a text online that you read in class...I form my own opinion whereas your teacher tells you yours. And just about any text can be purchased or downloaded online. I could get the same education from a well stocked library and internet connection that you paid for at your local university. So, to answer your sarcastic question...yeah, people can get just as informed from a local library.

All you need is a thread about religion to get Tiger posting again.
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