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Old 04-08-2010, 10:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Religion is such a touchy subject but is so big and historical. I never had a true stand, I am kinda stuck in the middle. I just watched a PBS special on The book of mormon and all the shit they do. That will make you question religion for sure. Founded in the 1800's by a guy in a forest that saw an angel and found gold plates with ancient egypt writing. Aparently there church is so secret and they have a crap ton of money and they never talk about either of them. The people that knock on our door do that for two years straight. Its called going out on there mission. As far as I saw it was all about money and mainly greed. I could not imagine being brainwashed by that. Any mormons here have feedback on that?
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I do wonder what a religious person thinks about the stacking evidence of evolution. Regardless of the potential benefits of having faith, I find it hard to understand how anyone could pray to a specific god on a regular basis when all evidence and logic suggests the story that's lead by said God is a complete fantasy.

It's one thing to take the values from a religion and benefit from them, but it's another to reach the other end of the scale and believe everything written in a book, gardens of eden or whatever the case may be. I understand that the symbolic value of religion is important to some, but anything further is just irrational.
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I do wonder what a religious person thinks about the stacking evidence of evolution. Regardless of the potential benefits of having faith, I find it hard to understand how anyone could pray to a specific god on a regular basis when all evidence and logic suggests the story that's lead by said God is a complete fantasy.

It's one thing to take the values from a religion and benefit from them, but it's another to reach the other end of the scale and believe everything written in a book, gardens of eden or whatever the case may be. I understand that the symbolic value of religion is important to some, but anything further is just irrational.
I believe in divine intervention and I think Creationist is ridiculous.
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I believe in divine intervention and I think Creationist is ridiculous.
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Not much to say, I believe in evolution and I believe (a) God was behind it. I think if you take Paley's Watchmaker idea that if a watch needs a creator so does the universe, I would turn that around and say if a watch is so complicated to make, so to is life.
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Not much to say, I believe in evolution and I believe (a) God was behind it. I think if you take Paley's Watchmaker idea that if a watch needs a creator so does the universe, I would turn that around and say if a watch is so complicated to make, so to is life.
God must be pretty simple, then.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:51 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Not much to say, I believe in evolution and I believe (a) God was behind it. I think if you take Paley's Watchmaker idea that if a watch needs a creator so does the universe, I would turn that around and say if a watch is so complicated to make, so to is life.
My problem with that is, given the complexity of the Universe, what makes you so sure the Universe was simply created, and by a God? What if it is part of something even more complex? There are so many possibilities it is just impossible to say. I personally doubt that some one or some thing just created the Universe, that's such a simplistic outlook.

But sure, I get the notion that it had to come from somewhere, but even that is not definite. As humans we have the concept of a beginning and an end carved into our minds, we cannot comprehend something from nothing. But if a God, creator or whatever created the Universe, who created the creator? See where I'm going with this?

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Horrific injustice that stems from a religious tradition. "Un-islamic" to raise the minimum age to 17. Unbelievable.
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Old 04-08-2010, 08:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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My problem with that is, given the complexity of the Universe, what makes you so sure the Universe was simply created, and by a God? What if it is part of something even more complex? There are so many possibilities it is just impossible to say. I personally doubt that some one or some thing just created the Universe, that's such a simplistic outlook.

But sure, I get the notion that it had to come from somewhere, but even that is not definite. As humans we have the concept of a beginning and an end carved into our minds, we cannot comprehend something from nothing. But if a God, creator or whatever created the Universe, who created the creator? See where I'm going with this?

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There is more to the report at this link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8610491.stm

Horrific injustice that stems from a religious tradition. "Un-islamic" to raise the minimum age to 17. Unbelievable.
I'm not sure God made the universe, the universe could be infinite, I choose to believe something supernatural outside of time and space created the universe. I don't think even the universe can be infinite. I'm not going into the physics and atoms about the universe, because I would just be making a fool of myself. In a nutshell I believe God created the universe, I am open to other ideas and theories but that is what I believe personally.

As for the who created the creator, yeh I've heard that a lot and I couldn't answer you that. I guess the concept of God, does not need a creator and if everything has to have a start then God can be that start.

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I am not sure if there is a god or who it is if there is one but I think that people who say science disproves religion are every bit as silly and ignorant as those they claim religious people are. Thousands of things happen every single day that science cannot explain. By the same token how many scientific "facts" are disproved all the time? Scientists once thought the world was flat. The fact that people can be so conceited as to think that man can comprehend yet alone explain something as vast and incredible as the existence of life and earth is mind boggling. What we know as mankind about our own existence is a mere grain of sand in a desert.
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Old 04-08-2010, 11:43 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I am not sure if there is a god or who it is if there is one but I think that people who say science disproves religion are every bit as silly and ignorant as those they claim religious people are. Thousands of things happen every single day that science cannot explain. By the same token how many scientific "facts" are disproved all the time? Scientists once thought the world was flat. The fact that people can be so conceited as to think that man can comprehend yet alone explain something as vast and incredible as the existence of life and earth is mind boggling. What we know as mankind about our own existence is a mere grain of sand in a desert.
Your example of the world being considered flat wasn't a result of evidence, it was misguided perception. You cannot compare that to satellites orbiting Earth showing precisely what shape this planet is, the two rationales are miles apart.

Science not being able to explain many things does not make science less credible in its ability to prove the age of this planet, for example, which shows that at least one religion is a fairytale. It also does not mean what is already proven is not reliable, because we have to apply logic at some point and science does that pretty damn well.

Science is the thing using logic and experimental evidence to create theory, if we can't go by that then what can we go by? Science tells me water will boil at 100 degrees celcius, am I meant to question what is proven because science cannot yet explain the full picture? Religion uses none of this, it's just a story in a book that disagrees with every other religion and with science.

Science cannot disprove that a God exists. Science can however disprove enough fairytales in religion to demonstrate how ridiculous these stories are and as a result, that it's pretty much a given that the God at the head of said stories doesn't exist as the religion teaches.

And out of curiosity, what other scientific theories being disproven are you referring to?
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