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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old 04-07-2010, 12:06 AM Thread Starter
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Religion: Real, Reasonable or Irrational.

All kinds of religious discussion is to take place in this thread.

There will be no insults. I repeat there will be no insults or I will start bitch slapping fools. This also means that you will not insinuate others are stupid or any other round about way of insulting someone.

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IMO religion is real, reasonable and at times very irrational.

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I agree with the post above. It is real (no question), it is reasonable (at times) and there is no doubt it is irrational.

Real in the sense that it does exist (obviously).

Reasonable in the sense that we all love the idea of an all-powerful God who can solve all of our problems. Whenever something terrible happens in someones life, they pray, hoping for some sort of solution or scapegoat. The idea that a God can control everything in our life is comforting to us, as it suggests that there is some way to change it without having to necessarily blame ourselves (God has a plan).

It is irrational in the sense that, there is almost certainly no omniscient, omnipotent supernatural being that exists who can do anything organized religion says He/She can. We are animals. We evolved from lower species through the process of natural selection. There is no God out there waiting to change our lives and the idea that there is one is irrational.

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I don't think this forum really knows what the terms atheist, agnostic, theist, and gnostic mean.

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Atheist agnostic.

I don't believe in God, I actually find the concept itself quite silly, but I can understand where people come from that believe in such a thing. At the same time, I cannot say for fact that there is absolutely, 100% no God, the same way I cannot say that somewhere in this world, somewhere that man has never stepped upon, that there's a 14 ass monkey with razor teeth, 4 pairs of testicles, and two necks that connect to one head.

So, mainly atheist, but at the same time, I don't go out of my way to disprove God or any such things, and I cannot say there isn't a God, 100% for sure, no one can.
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Simply put, religion is a joke. Scientists prove what happened, religious people say we can't prove it didn't happen. The bible is a less credible source than a Dora the Explorer book.

EDIT: If you're going to neg rep me and call me wrong, I would love for you to prove why. Until then, I am right as I provide an opinion and you do not.

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after exhaustive research and attempts to adopt a number of different beliefs, in the end, religion all smells the same to me. cow feces.

secular humanism covers all the bases I care about without the starry eyed wishful thinking.

still, if some kind of god were to demonstrate ANYTHING close to godlike abilities, I'm open to the idea. but so far, nothing. I hold out more hope for a sound proof for the existence of leprechauns.

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I like HexRei have studied almost every religion but unlike him I kind of took meanings and philosophies from each and made my own.

In turn my beliefs are my own and I dont need people to debate me and tell me they are wrong and I also dont need to convince other people that my views are right, it is for the person to figure out for themselves what their beliefs are.

I do like allot of the ideas and morals that allot of religions have but also really dislike other ideas that they have also, i have not found one that I fully agree with.

I believe that religion is to be interpreted by the person not by the community, I can read a passage of religion and someone else can read the same passage of religion and we can have completely different views on the meaning of that said passage, who is right me or him ..the answer we both are, religion is all about interpretation.



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in other words, we agree. there is a huge amount of basic sociological sensibility that exists in most religions. in fact, the major ones tend today have survived mostly because they are a set of rules that allow at least a reasonably successful society to exist. this can be viewed as a process of sociological evolution that has happened to most societies over the years, albeit some at a greatly slowed pace. But there are basics that tend to be prevalent and those are what makes a religion able to propogate within a society and thus carry on the belief to new generations continuously.

Thing is, once you realize this, and you dump all the extra crap, you don't really need the religion itself any more- that's secular humanism. Although I do think that a belief in life after death is obviously always going to be an allure, at least until technology makes death obselete.

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but to some the extra is not crap, and also lots would not follow the rest with out said extra crap.



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