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Old 05-17-2010, 11:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I support this decision!

US Supreme Court says sex offenders can stay in jail indefinitely....

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/17...pt=T1&iref=BN1

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Old 05-17-2010, 11:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I also agree with this.

To many sexual offenders are repeat offenders.
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Old 05-17-2010, 11:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Maybe I just need more context, but what's the limitation here? Why can't murderers be held indefinitely if 'officials' decide he/she may murder again? A marijuana user because they may get their bong out again (pot smoking is incredibly dangerous according to gov't)? Why even bother with sentences? Why don't we just let 'officials' decide how long inmates should be held. If we need to, we can consult China on how best to implement this new approach to habeas corpus.

I hate sex crimes as much as the next guy (assuming the next guy isn't a pervert), but there has been a consistent pattern of using these heinous crimes as excuses to open the door to Constitutional abuses that can later be applied to everyone.

I guess now's a good time to invest in private prisons. Business is gonna be booming.
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Maybe I just need more context, but what's the limitation here? Why can't murderers be held indefinitely if 'officials' decide he/she may murder again? A marijuana user because they may get their bong out again (pot smoking is incredibly dangerous according to gov't)? Why even bother with sentences? Why don't we just let 'officials' decide how long inmates should be held. If we need to, we can consult China on how best to implement this new approach to habeas corpus.

I hate sex crimes as much as the next guy (assuming the next guy isn't a pervert), but there has been a consistent pattern of using these heinous crimes as excuses to open the door to Constitutional abuses that can later be applied to everyone.

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Ouch. A good argument against this.

At face value it looks nice and I agree with it, beyond sexual offenders at its current definition it would be a massive abuse of the system.

My problem with sexual offenders is the huge number that do it again after being released.
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To me, it almost seems like the start of a "pre-crime" scenario as seen in The Minority Report. Essentially, authorities are allowed to detain you, because they believe that you are likely to commit a crime.

Sexual offenders may be the easiest group to apply this concept to, because they have a very high recidivism rate, and every sensible person is disgusted by such crimes. However, I would support a lengthening of prison time at the time of sentencing rather than giving authorities the extraodinary power of being able to hold a person beyond a sentence. I would not be opposed to locking up certain sex offenders for life from the start, first offense.

At some point, one must wonder what the consequnces would be if authorities extended this concept to other types of offenders. Should DWI offenders be held indefinitely, because it is likely that they will drink and drive again? Should drug dealers be held indefinitely, because it is likely that they will sell again? Same question for drug users. I think that something like this has the potential to spiral out of control.
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This is way out of proportion. Some kind of involuntary commitment would have worked the same way, but without the potential of someone exploiting the system. Keeping people in jail for crimes they have not commited just doesn't seem right. After you've served your time in jail you should be rehabilitated - that's the whole idea behind any judical system. Of course in reality it doesn't work that way, but these kinds of laws don't really help. It should be for the real bad guys only (child molesters, serial rapists, etc.) and it should prevent these guys from ever setting foot on God's green earth again, but with the difference being that it's decided on the very day he is convicted for his crime.
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I get the feeling I'm the only one with faith in the system.



Where did trust go? If it becomes something else, we as a people can stop it.
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I see this is a big step toward taking away the demand for child sex trafficking. 2.5 million children a year are brought into the sex trade as slaves. If that means that Joe child molester doesnt ever get out of jail...well sorry for you depraved mentality Joe.

300,000 children in the U.S. are at risk every year for commercial sexual exploitation. -U.S. Department of Justice

600,000 – 800,000 people are bought and sold across international borders each year; 50% are children, most are female. The majority of these victims are forced into the commercial sex trade. – U.S. Department of State, 2004, Trafficking in Persons Report, Washington, D.C.

An estimated 14,500 to 17,500 foreign nationals are trafficked into the United States each year. The number of U.S. citizens trafficked within the country is even higher, with an estimated 200,000 American children at risk for trafficking into the sex industry. – U.S Department of Justice Report to Congress from Attorney General John Ashcroft on U.S. Government Efforts to Combat Trafficking in Persons

An estimated 2.5 million children, the majority of them girls, are sexually exploited in the multibillion dollar commercial sex industry – UNICEF

Investigators and researchers estimate the average predator in the U.S. can make more than $200,000 a year off one young girl. – NBC Report by Teri Williams

If you have children in your life and you love them go to this website. You may want to get involved.

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I get the feeling I'm the only one with faith in the system.



Where did trust go? If it becomes something else, we as a people can stop it.
The last time we trusted someone he turned out somewhat of a douche and we got the shit bombed out of us.

this post is historically incorrect for the sake of humor
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I see this is a big step toward taking away the demand for child sex trafficking. 2.5 million children a year are brought into the sex trade as slaves. If that means that Joe child molester doesnt ever get out of jail...well sorry for you depraved mentality Joe.

300,000 children in the U.S. are at risk every year for commercial sexual exploitation. -U.S. Department of Justice

600,000 – 800,000 people are bought and sold across international borders each year; 50% are children, most are female. The majority of these victims are forced into the commercial sex trade. – U.S. Department of State, 2004, Trafficking in Persons Report, Washington, D.C.

An estimated 14,500 to 17,500 foreign nationals are trafficked into the United States each year. The number of U.S. citizens trafficked within the country is even higher, with an estimated 200,000 American children at risk for trafficking into the sex industry. – U.S Department of Justice Report to Congress from Attorney General John Ashcroft on U.S. Government Efforts to Combat Trafficking in Persons

An estimated 2.5 million children, the majority of them girls, are sexually exploited in the multibillion dollar commercial sex industry – UNICEF

Investigators and researchers estimate the average predator in the U.S. can make more than $200,000 a year off one young girl. – NBC Report by Teri Williams

If you have children in your life and you love them go to this website. You may want to get involved.

http://sctnow.com/
This is usually the 'argument'. X is really bad and scary and violating principle Y is the only way to mitigate the bad and scary effects of X (you don't want children to be abused/the terrorists to win/murderers to have guns/witches to turn into cats/etc., do you?). Swap out 'sex offender' with 'terrorist'/'communist'/'witch'/'Sith'. It doesn't matter. As long as you can convince people that X has some sort of supernatural immunity to the rule of law that binds the rest of us, we'll accept subverting the rule of law for all of us.

Edit: Can't believe I forgot to include Jews in that list. I've failed you Godwin's Law.
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