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Old 09-29-2010, 11:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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IMO this woman's claim is really about money- if she gains any traction she will probably try to turn this into a lawsuit against Nintendo.
that was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, because dogs are pets and humans are people. I will never entertain thoughts about animals being even remotely worth what a human is.

If a little girl kicked me and it was a complete accident and I bite her lip off, I should either be locked up or destroyed.
Dogs are animals and humans are animals. We are all animals by fact and definition. We have the same instincts, we have the same needs, we have the same bonds, we have the same everything. Humans differ in that we are smarter, that is it.

The girl didn't kicked the dog by accident, she kicked the dog. She attacked the dog. She threatened the dog. She abused the dog. She hurt the dog. In return, the dog defended itself. It's her fault, she got punished for it.

The dog should not be killed because it was attacked and threatened. That means if someone threatened/kicked you, and you beat them up and hurt to the point of hospitalization, you should be murdered, after all, you were doing the exact same thing the dog was doing, down to the very core, and you are an animal by definition, you are an animal, like it or not, it is fact.
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Dogs are animals and humans are animals. We are all animals by fact and definition. We have the same instincts, we have the same needs, we have the same bonds, we have the same everything. Humans differ in that we are smarter, that is it.

The girl didn't kicked the dog by accident, she kicked the dog. She attacked the dog. She threatened the dog. She abused the dog. She hurt the dog. In return, the dog defended itself. It's her fault, she got punished for it.

The dog should not be killed because it was attacked and threatened. That means if someone threatened/kicked you, and you beat them up and hurt to the point of hospitalization, you should be murdered, after all, you were doing the exact same thing the dog was doing, down to the very core, and you are an animal by definition, you are an animal, like it or not, it is fact.
I know we are animals. People use words like homo erectus and austral opithecus.. you say tomato i say tomato we're animals alright, we're monkeys.

Monkeys cursed with consciousness. But come on give us some credit: we can crash atoms, go to the moon, curing diseases, discovery of science/math/engineering/physics, sailing seas, flying in the air, warfare, productive knowledge, religion... and you cannot separate us from animals? We are made of the same things yes, but we are far different. For no other reason than our rank on the food chain, we are superior to these creatures beneath us.
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I know we are animals. People use words like homo erectus and austral opithecus.. you say tomato i say tomato we're animals alright, we're monkeys.

Monkeys cursed with consciousness. But come on give us some credit: we can crash atoms, go to the moon, curing diseases, discovery of science/math/engineering/physics, sailing seas, flying in the air, warfare, productive knowledge, religion... and you cannot separate us from animals? We are made of the same things yes, but we are far different. For no other reason than our rank on the food chain, we are superior to these creatures beneath us.
Yes, we are smarter, we can process more information in a shorter amount of time and we can grasp more in depth concepts and ideas. Our brain more advanced.

An African Grey parrot has the intelligence of a 5 year old human, they are more advanced than any dog you are going to find. If a Parrot bites a dog, then the dog hurts the Parrot for biting him, do we put the dog down? After all, the parrot is far more advanced in the brain, thus higher on the food chain, right? Wrong, they are treated exactly the same, even though the parrot is clearly more advanced than the dog. They are both animals, regardless of intellect, and are treated as equel.

Humans are animals, regardless of the intellect, and should be treated as equel.

All you have going for you in this debate is your selfishness of "I'm human so I say humans are more important". It's selfish to look at it that way, it's wrong, it's disgusting.
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if my dog or your dog hurt one of my kids badly, i would personally kill it in front of its owner (which would obv be me if it was my dog but i dont buy big brutal dogs, i have a jack russel).

stupid ppl shouldnt have dogs all unbalanced n shit, most ppl get these breeds they cant handle and its a shame.
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Yes, we are smarter, we can process more information in a shorter amount of time and we can grasp more in depth concepts and ideas. Our brain more advanced.

An African Grey parrot has the intelligence of a 5 year old human, they are more advanced than any dog you are going to find. If a Parrot bites a dog, then the dog hurts the Parrot for biting him, do we put the dog down? After all, the parrot is far more advanced in the brain, thus higher on the food chain, right? Wrong, they are treated exactly the same, even though the parrot is clearly more advanced than the dog. They are both animals, regardless of intellect, and are treated as equel.

Humans are animals, regardless of the intellect, and should be treated as equel.

All you have going for you in this debate is your selfishness of "I'm human so I say humans are more important". It's selfish to look at it that way, it's wrong, it's disgusting.
Not even close to the same, a dog and a parrot compared to a dog and a human. If it was an expensive parrot and the owner was pissed the dog would probably be put down or the owner compensated for the loss.

Why should humans and dogs be treated as equals? They are in no way our equal. We are the lords of the earth, a dogs presence is merely in accordance with our will. They are a pile of flesh we keep around for our amusement and purposes.

The way I look at it is the only way a reasonable person can look at it. It is a base for most peoples morality. The way you describe things is insane and immoral. I've only heard this way of thinking from reading about serial killers.

Ever seen the movie "3:10 to yuma" they are eating food with ben wade he says "there is no difference between shooting a man and an animal". This is no mistake, its adds a sense of realism because its a phrase most often associated with murderers and psychopaths.

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Okay I just do not understand your point of view, break it down for me pls. What gives a dog its value?
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Old 09-30-2010, 12:52 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Well speaking of morales and purpose, a dog does exactly what it is meant to do whereas humans are systematically destroying the earth so in that sense, humans pretty much suck.

One example I can give is an alligator in Florida bites someone by a lake and the alligator is killed. To be honest, we moved into the alligators home, not the other way around. So what if we can think faster and do lore things. That is the exact logic that leads to mentally handicap people to becoming outcasts.

Honestly putting the human race above all else in this situation is very mind boggling to me. It is an elitist mindset and a perfect example as to how society has brainwashed most people into believing anything.
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:02 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Not even close to the same, a dog and a parrot compared to a dog and a human. If it was an expensive parrot and the owner was pissed the dog would probably be put down or the owner compensated for the loss.

Why should humans and dogs be treated as equals? They are in no way our equal. We are the lords of the earth, a dogs presence is merely in accordance with our will. They are a pile of flesh we keep around for our amusement and purposes.

The way I look at it is the only way a reasonable person can look at it. It is a base for most peoples morality. The way you describe things is insane and immoral. I've only heard this way of thinking from reading about serial killers.

Ever seen the movie "3:10 to yuma" they are eating food with ben wade he says "there is no difference between shooting a man and an animal". This is no mistake, its adds a sense of realism because its a phrase most often associated with murderers and psychopaths.

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Okay I just do not understand your point of view, break it down for me pls. What gives a dog its value?
The dog is a living, breathing, caring, loving animal that is alive and can live a full, lengthy life full of just as much meaning and purpose as any human. Humans and dogs are both animals, we both breed, we both make babies, take care of our babies, love our babies, and life full lives. Humans are smarter, that is the base line, that is the cut off. There is absolutely postively 000000000000000000 difference between a human and a dog other than a human being more intelligent.

You saying a parrot and a dog doesn't work is false. Parrots and dogs are animals, humans are animals. Humans are smarter than dogs, parrots are smarter than dogs, that means both humans and parrots are higher on the food chain going by your logic that intellect = superior. So, if the parrot bites the dog, and the dog defends itself, does the dog get put to sleep? The answer is no, it does not, cuase they are both animals, even if the parrot is smarter. Humans are EXACTLY the same, we are animals, just smarter.

What gives a dog value? Seriously? How about it's a living, breathing, loving thing that has emotions, makes babies it cares and loves, and can live a full and healthy life?

What gives you more value than a dog? You can speak english and know that 4 + 4 = 8? How does this make sense in any form?

Also, HOGH brings up a solid point. Why are humans put in a higher light when we have done more damage to the planet, to its creatures, to its living beings, etc, than any other form of living organism that has ever existed? We are the terrorists of the world, why is it okay for a terrorist to be above something that literally lives its life loving whomever is kind enough to take it into their home?

Fact is, a dog is a living, breathing, loving animal the same as humans, in fact dogs can be far more loving than humans, but from time to time just like humans, they feel threatened and defend themselves, especially when attacked directly, and this dog was attacked directly.

You also need to take into account the actual situation at hand.

A normal dog, a living, breathing loving animal was minding his own business, and another animal kicked it, hurt it, attacked it. The dog defended himself, as you or any other human/animal/dog would defend itself. It was murdered for defending itself, it was murdered for being attacked and then defending itself.

Do you really understand this? A living creature, someone's pet, a part of a family, was literally murdered becasue it defended itself after being attacked.

Seriously, think about this for a moment.
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Exactly. And any value in humans is lost anyway due to the negatives tha we bring to the table. Yes we do amazing things but we also pollute and litter everywhere. We destroy land to industrialize everything. We spill oil into the ocean and we do detrimental things like dropping nuclear bombs and waste the worlds natural resources.

So where are all of our achievements and wonderful things when we destroy the earth?

Dogs are also much more loyal than humans when they are domesticated which is yet another unnatural thing that humans did. We domesticate something that was never meant to be domesticated in the first place, and then we act all surprised when something goes wrong. Hu
So humans are one of two things. Stupid or blinded. Society does a good job in ensuring that both of these things are present in people.
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This is literally one of the craziest things ive ever heard. Anyone else want to ring in on this? You guys are both reasonable guys, which is why this is blowing my mind.
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