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Old 09-30-2010, 03:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree with Xeb to a large degree. I'm not sure I would postulate a number like 1 human >1,000,000 dogs because there is so much context that needs to be explored when you confront a situation like that, but I don't think animal lives are worth as much as human lives. At the same time we do need laws against animal abuse and they should be well-enforced, animals don't deserve to suffer because some human has no conscience. But as humans we are the ones who are most likely right now to accomplish the most amazing things and we need to give ourselves moderated precedence. If that makes me "specieist", so be it.
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Old 09-30-2010, 08:53 AM   #22 (permalink)
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In an intelligence sense, yes a human is more valuable than a dog. But how can anyone realistically say that if a human attacks a dog, and a dog does defends itself which is a natural instinct that even us humans have, that it should be killed. That is flat out ridiculous. It is not like the dog weighed it's options and said well let me see, this girl just kicked me so... It shouldn't have to do that. How would the dog know that the human would or would not attack it again. How did the dog know that the human was not trying to kill it. Punishing an animal by taking its life for simply defending itself is crazy.

Like I previously stated. Animals were never meant to be domesticated. So I really don't get why humans are so surprised and so quick to point the finger when something goes wrong. Humans created this problem, then they take no responsibility for it.
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I gotta go with Xeb on this....All that was said was this little girl may have kicked this dog.....That could mean it came up to her and she pushed it away with her foot. I dont care what kind/size dog it is if it bites attacks a little girl its not gonna have the chance to be put down by the county Im cutting its head off.....Now if she was pulling its tail or trying to grab its bone or pulling its ears and it bit her on the hand with no serious injuries then I might could let it slide.....But she "Kicked" the dog and it flat out tore her lip off
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:29 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I gotta go with Xeb on this....All that was said was this little girl may have kicked this dog.....That could mean it came up to her and she pushed it away with her foot. I dont care what kind/size dog it is if it bites attacks a little girl its not gonna have the chance to be put down by the county Im cutting its head off.....Now if she was pulling its tail or trying to grab its bone or pulling its ears and it bit her on the hand with no serious injuries then I might could let it slide.....But she "Kicked" the dog and it flat out tore her lip off
As previously stated, all a dog knows is that it felt threatened and it did what it is naturally meant to do in this situation. If someone kicked/punched/shoved me or whatever, you better believe that I am going to defend myself. It is the same principle.

The only reason that people think otherwise is because people have been conditioned to believe this. If I kick you and you beat me up, it is labeled as self defense and you were just defending yourself. But if it is a dog, then he is deemed too dangerous to be kept alive? This is human's hipocrisy at its best.
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:40 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I agree with someone or something defending his/her/its self BUT I wouldnt beat a lil girl retarded or tear her lip off thats the difference....This was a Bull Mastif right? thats a huge dog how old was this girl? If this girl was hitting this dog with a stick or just ran up to and started kicking it there MIGHT be an arguement but all that was said was the girl was sitting there playing her game and "Might" have kicked the dog....regardless I would have ended that dog.....Now the fact that they are trying to blame a video game is just stupid
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I agree with someone or something defending his/her/its self BUT I wouldnt beat a lil girl retarded or tear her lip off thats the difference....This was a Bull Mastif right? thats a huge dog how old was this girl? If this girl was hitting this dog with a stick or just ran up to and started kicking it there MIGHT be an arguement but all that was said was the girl was sitting there playing her game and "Might" have kicked the dog....regardless I would have ended that dog.....Now the fact that they are trying to blame a video game is just stupid

Yes but what you have to understand is that a dog does not think like a human does. Human's have lost much of their survival instincts when compared to other animals. A dog's survival instincts are still very much there so when a dog feels threatened, it is going to do what it has to in order to survive.

This is not the dogs fault. It is human's fault for domesticating them in the first place.
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Yes but when a bear attacks a person is it not hunted down?
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Yes but when a bear attacks a person is it not hunted down?
This is kind of proving my point. If a Bear attacks a person, then the person acts out of self defense. So why is it a double standard. A human attacks an animal, and when the animal defends itself, it is wrong?

If a human attacks a bear and the bear defends itself, then this is purely the human's fault. If the Bear attacks for no particular reason, then it is normal for a human to defend itself.

Not to mention that it is in a Bear's nature to be very territorial which is a trait that Human's carry as well but just to a smaller extent.
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:13 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Yes we bring dogs into our homes we have for many many many years and for many years if it attacks its put down....I dont always agree with it but in this case I do.....Its not like this dog was trained to attack little girls or even other dogs....At least acording to info given.....But the reason I threw the bear thing in there is this...What chance do I have against a bear? The same chance this little girl had with the massive dog....Sure Ill even say she for sure kicked it....You know how many dogs Ive kicked in my day? Plenty and Ive never been attacked...So its not just basic instincts to attack a little girl...This dog was a powder keg waiting to explode...I would be willing to bet this wasnt the first time this dog as bitt someone this was just a severe case.....And if thats the case its 100% the owners fault it happened......
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Yes we bring dogs into our homes we have for many many many years and for many years if it attacks its put down....I dont always agree with it but in this case I do.....
Yes and that was never the meant to happen. Animals were not made to be domesticated. If this was the case, then people would give birth to little puppies to raise like children. So when we do something unnatural, it is not so surprising when things don't go the way we want them to. But because the human race is so selfish, if it doesn't go how we want it, we get rid of it.

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Its not like this dog was trained to attack little girls or even other dogs....At least acording to info given.....
Right, but a dog is naturally trained to reproduce and survive. So naturally when it feels threatened, it will do whatever it has to in order to survive. The dog had no way of knowing if the girl was going to kill it, if she was going to hit it again or what. All it registers is that it was attacked.

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But the reason I threw the bear thing in there is this...What chance do I have against a bear? The same chance this little girl had with the massive dog....
I don't have a chance in hell of beating up Brock Lesnar. If I attack him, should he not have the right to defend himself? This is the double standard that I was mentioning earlier.

Sure it would be nice if an animal never attacked a human, but when you attack something no matter what it is, you better be ready for a negative consequence. That is just life.


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Sure Ill even say she for sure kicked it....You know how many dogs Ive kicked in my day? Plenty and Ive never been attacked...
This doesn't change anything. Some dogs are threatened by different things much like human's find different things threatening.

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So its not just basic instincts to attack a little girl...
This is where there is a line that needs to be drawn. A dog is not aware of any human laws. It does not differentiate between an elder and a newborn when it is threatened. When it feels threatened, it will survive no matter what is attacking it. It is instinct that tells animals (including humans) to protect themselves.

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This dog was a powder keg waiting to explode...I would be willing to bet this wasnt the first time this dog as bitt someone this was just a severe case.....And if thats the case its 100% the owners fault it happened......
This dog was a powder keg waiting to explode...I would be willing to bet this wasnt the first time this dog as bitt someone this was just a severe case.....And if thats the case its 100% the owners fault it happened......

Sorry, but this is pretty ridiculous. If the dog was acting out of defense for itself, calling it a "powder keg waiting to explode" is pretty crazy. This is why animals get such a bad rap. A human provokes it, and it does what it's instincts tell it to do, then it is labeled like you have just done.

The only reason we are having this conversation is because humans put themselves on a pedestal like we are the end all be all. Wrong. We are smart but ignorant. We are helpful yet destructive. We are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth.
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