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Old 11-30-2010, 06:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't think it will be easy, I think it will be horrifying with massive casualties.
america would make itself a pariah state with no funding past what it could generate with slaves. and going on recent history, i seriously doubt many of them would be black.

i dont see the african american community jumping back into chains, and the latinos (with mexico bordering) wouldnt be doing that either i fear.

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Old 11-30-2010, 06:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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oh s*** we going to bring this argument up again. The answer is no. I have experienced first hand a gun saving me. I was really young like 3 or 4 in the car with my dad. stuck on a one way street couple of gang bangers one with a baseball bat started knocking on a car in front of us that was able to get away then they turned and looked at us standing in front of the car dad pulled a revolver out of the glove box and set it on the dash board guys ran like hell. same type of thing happened to my friend when some big guy threatened him and told him to give up his keys. Thing is that they save people no way my friend in his 60s would be able to stand up against a guy twice his size and half his age but the gun allowed him to.

hell if you want proof guns arent a main factor of crime look at switzerland guns are very deeply rooted in their society (I think every male is requited to have an assault rifle for militia duty) yet they have one of the lowest crime rates.

also look at washington D.C. has been the murder capital of the world for years even though there has been a ban on hand guns there for years (recently overturned). Look at their number of homicides in the 90s if you get the chance.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
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oh s*** we going to bring this argument up again. The answer is no. I have experienced first hand a gun saving me. I was really young like 3 or 4 in the car with my dad. stuck on a one way street couple of gang bangers one with a baseball bat started knocking on a car in front of us that was able to get away then they turned and looked at us standing in front of the car dad pulled a revolver out of the glove box and set it on the dash board guys ran like hell. same type of thing happened to my friend when some big guy threatened him and told him to give up his keys. Thing is that they save people no way my friend in his 60s would be able to stand up against a guy twice his size and half his age but the gun allowed him to.

hell if you want proof guns arent a main factor of crime look at switzerland guns are very deeply rooted in their society (I think every male is requited to have an assault rifle for militia duty) yet they have one of the lowest crime rates.

also look at washington D.C. has been the murder capital of the world for years even though there has been a ban on hand guns there for years (recently overturned). Look at their number of homicides in the 90s if you get the chance.
MYTH BUSTERS : its not even the murder capital of america. ( 6th. )

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Old 11-30-2010, 06:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
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its not even the murder capital of america.
not any more and guess what the hand gun ban was over turned in 2008. In the 90s however it was.
(fun fact The basketball team use to be called the washington bullets but changed their name to wizards because they were the murder capital of the world.)

i should have made the time frame more clear still the point is valid.

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not any more and guess what the hand gun ban was over turned in 2008. In the 90s however it was.
(fun fact The basketball team use to be called the washington bullets but changed their name to wizards because they were the murder capital of the world.)

i should have made the time frame more clear still the point is valid.

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no. you stated it has been the most murderous city in the world for years. its not even in the top 5 in usa and hasnt been for years. thats quite a myth busting.


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also look at washington D.C. has been the murder capital of the world for years even though there has been a ban on hand guns there for years (recently overturned).
also why didnt your dad just drive off, and why does a small guy need a gun against a big guy...surely thats what jiu jitsu's for.

or a baseball bat.

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]no. you stated it has been the most murderous city in the world for years. its not even in the top 5 in usa and hasnt been for years. thats quite a myth busting.
AS i said i screwed up and forgot to post the time fame when i posted. point is that despite the gun ban it had the highest murder rate in the world in the 90s. and despite the relaxed attitude toward guns in Switzerland it has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

point is the banning guns isnt going to reduce your crime raits. its the culture and society and it wont help at all in the USA.


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also why didnt your dad just drive off, and why does a small guy need a gun against a big guy...surely thats what jiu jitsu's for.

or a baseball bat.
well lets see i we have 3 of 4 guys standing in front of the car you have to make a split second decision. IF you take of possibility you run over one of them and get a man slaughter charge plus risking you child's life in the car with wreakless driving when trying to get back out on the main road. Or pick a fight with him against 3 or 4 guys and my dad who has a bad knee probably would do well even if he had a bat and he would be leaving his kid in the car alone which he wouldn't want to do. Or he could show a gun and scare the living shit out of the guys. last option is the best bet.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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AS i said i screwed up and forgot to post the time fame when i posted. point is that despite the gun ban it had the highest murder rate in the world in the 90s. and despite the relaxed attitude toward guns in Switzerland it has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

point is the banning guns isnt going to reduce your crime raits. its the culture and society and it wont help at all in the USA.
i seriously doubt as many ppl would get shot in america if firearms were banned. i think it would inevitably affect murder rates. what you are missing is the affect of a ban on existing culture. saying americans kill more by nature dont change this. not that i agree with the premise anyways.


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well lets see i we have 3 of 4 guys standing in front of the car you have to make a split second decision. IF you take of possibility you run over one of them and get a man slaughter charge plus risking you child's life in the car with wreakless driving when trying to get back out on the main road. Or pick a fight with him against 3 or 4 guys and my dad who has a bad knee probably would do well even if he had a bat and he would be leaving his kid in the car alone which he wouldn't want to do. Or he could show a gun and scare the living shit out of the guys. last option is the best bet.
lets not get into this one. my hearts not in arguing against your dads actions. altho to be honest i would argue that legal firearms makes it more likely the criminals will arm themselves and shoot somebody. if they had thrown down you could well both be dead now.
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If it were up to me there would not be a single gun on earth. There is nothing that a fist fight cannot handle. But the truth is guns are here to stay. The fact that there are people willing to kill with a gun, knife or whatever they want to use gives reason enough to own a gun.
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i seriously doubt as many ppl would get shot in america if firearms were banned. i think it would inevitably affect murder rates. what you are missing is the affect of a ban on existing culture. saying americans kill more by nature dont change this. not that i agree with the premise anyways.

lets not get into this one. my hearts not in arguing against your dads actions. altho to be honest i would argue that legal firearms makes it more likely the criminals will arm themselves and shoot somebody. if they had thrown down you could well both be dead now.
well think like a gang banger here. A gang banger is going to to a city and become a robber. Now in city a they have a ban on guns and i can get a gun illegally, in city b guns are legal and there is a distinct possibility that the citizens in the area are armed. Now which city do you think he will pick. Chances are he will go to city A and prey on the weak.

even if the gang banger doesn't have a gun the fact that he is young muscled up means he could easily prey on the weaker population such as the women elderly and handicap. guns level the playing field if a woman elderly or handicap person has a gun they can fend of a 6,2 230 strong man.

Instead of thinking how many people are robbed at gun point or killed with a gun think how many people are robbed or killed period.

in short if a society is unarmed it has no way of defending it self and thus is more vulnerable. Also these criminal would get their guns illegally any way.
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well think like a gang banger here. A gang banger is going to to a city and become a robber. Now in city a they have a ban on guns and i can get a gun illegally, in city b guns are legal and there is a distinct possibility that the citizens in the area are armed. Now which city do you think he will pick. Chances are he will go to city A and prey on the weak.

even if the gang banger doesn't have a gun the fact that he is young muscled up means he could easily prey on the weaker population such as the women elderly and handicap. guns level the playing field if a woman elderly or handicap person has a gun they can fend of a 6,2 230 strong man.

Instead of thinking how many people are robbed at gun point or killed with a gun think how many people are robbed or killed period.

in short if a society is unarmed it has no way of defending it self and thus is more vulnerable. Also these criminal would get their guns illegally any way.
hmm. we seem to do alright in britain.

the gang banger you speak off has a gun for protection. thats why hes in the gang in the first place.

the fact hes an evil piece of shite hunting ppl like animals is neither here nor there. if he was packing in a gun free country he could be shot on sight.

youre accusing me of missing the bigger picture but i dont know that thats me. have you been to many countries where guns are banned?

have you seen the difference?

arguing the different prevelances of murder in legal gun states still ignores the lack of it in gun free countries.
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