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Old 12-01-2010, 01:37 PM   #71 (permalink)
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You're kidding right? Damn, sounds scary. If someone robbed me and held me at gun point all tied up for the second time, and at the same time, some time ago my neighbours got shot while in the same situation - I'd buy a plane ticket the next morning.
well its very common to get your house robbed in brazil, pretty much every1 at some point gets their house robbed...my uncle also got robbed and tied up last year, the last time we were robbed we werent at home though, this was the first time we got tied up and stuff

its pretty scary, the dude even shot at the ground to scare us more, my whole family got tied up, our neighboors were robbed on the same day at the same time cause these guys work in groups and they like to rob 2 houses in 1 day

in the other house they ended up killing the family, but im pretty sure some1 tried to attack them so thats why they shot them

so imagine living here with guns being banned...criminals would still have guns but we would be ****ed
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well its very common to get your house robbed in brazil, pretty much every1 at some point gets their house robbed...my uncle also got robbed and tied up last year, the last time we were robbed we werent at home though, this was the first time we got tied up and stuff

its pretty scary, the dude even shot at the ground to scare us more, my whole family got tied up, our neighboors were robbed on the same day at the same time cause these guys work in groups and they like to rob 2 houses in 1 day

in the other house they ended up killing the family, but im pretty sure some1 tried to attack them so thats why they shot them

so imagine living here with guns being banned...criminals would still have guns but we would be ****ed
someone comes into my house and threatens my family they are more than likely going to die of led poisoning and leave in a body bag.
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exactly my point ACTA. You can't take the criminal out of a criminal, but you can let respectable citizens protect their family from them.
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Source;
http://www.nationmaster.com/article/...ound-the-World


WHAT??? the UK second???
http://www.data360.org/graph_group.a...h_Group_Id=441


Another GREAT one:
http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/2003/7...n-crime-rates/

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Criminals DO NOT follow the law, they will carry weapons either you like it or not---- THEY WILL USE those weapons no doubt---- you can choose to be the VICTIM or not----
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the first link i agree with. thats a reliable source. but youre obscurring 3 facts. (1) crime is defined different in different countries and specific offences overlap and are obscurred by (2) reporting rates, which are marginally lower in america, where ppl have guns and can shoot you if you talk to the cops.(3) the differential in the lesser crimes is unsubstantial.

the difference between europe and american murder rates is massive.

which takes us to your cute little graph in the second link. it completely obscures the statistics by including them in a context defined by the war torn leader in murders rather than in deaths per 10 000. it puts them in front of england at 18th/21st respectively. its ridiculous. even the first link you gave me, (the respectable one) lists america as 22 places above england (per capita). if you want to look at actual numbers then you are 5th in the world. 16,204 ,,, thats more than 5 x 9/11 every year mate.

lastly your useful fools web link is incongrous with reputable statistics and looks like nra hype and straight out lies. its like me saying a white murderer is more likely to kill a black person than vice versa. is it true...of course. does it mean anything to you. not really.

if you are breaking the f**** law yourself then you are part of the problem. just because you happen to be white doesnt give you a pass.

criminals do follow the law. they follow the law of the jungle religiously, believe me. if guns are illegal period, then they are begging a bullet to use one and to use one on an innocent person is pretty close to suicide. all you are really doing is victimising yourself ad your society with your lack of understanding of the dynamics involved.

if we were 100 ppl in a room and everyone had guns vs no one...which room is most dangerous. your argument that criminals would still have them is silly. the state could crush them overnight with the support of the ppl. the ira, the mafia, everyone knows this. why dont you?

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exactly my point ACTA. You can't take the criminal out of a criminal, but you can let respectable citizens protect their family from them.
im not picking on you but this mentality is all over this thread and its ****in retarded. by legalising guns all you do is create a situation where those who would do harm have easy access to them.

non of the stuff you are talking about happens in countries without guns. its bullshit.
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As far as the school shootings are concerned, the killers could count on one thing: their victims, and the teachers and staff, would be unarmed. The killers knew they would face no resistance -- because of "gun control" laws. What should be obvious is that if peaceful citizens are armed, then criminals will be deterred.
this is ABSOLUTELY F**** RETARDED rationale for keeping guns. high school massacres only seem to happen in america and make america and its non gun laws look absolutely ridiculous. i cant believe you would even mention this.

19 school shooting incidents in the whole of europe in 100 years.

america....since 1966..(in one point text)


Name Location Date Year Body count

University of Texas Massacre Austin, Texas, United States August 1 1966 16

SC State killings1 Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States February 8 1968 3

Kent State shootings1 Kent, Ohio, United States May 4 1970 4

Jackson State shootings1 Jackson, Mississippi, United States May 1415 1970 2

Olean High School shooting1 Olean, New York, United States December 30 1974 3

California State University, Fullerton massacre Fullerton, California, United States July 12 1976 7

Cleveland Elementary School shooting San Diego, California, United States January 29 1979 2

Deer Creek Middle School shooting Littleton, Colorado, United States April 7 1982 1

Parkway South Middle School shooting Manchester, Missouri, United States January 20 1983 2

Goddard Middle School shooting Goddard, Kansas, United States January 21 1985 1

Portland Junior High School shooting Portland, Connecticut, United States December 10 1985 1

Pine Forest Senior High School Fayetteville, North Carolina, United States May 6 1986 0

Pinellas Park High School shooting Largo, Florida, United States February 11 1988 1

Hubbard Woods School shooting Winnetka, Illinois, United States May 20 1988 1

Atlantic Shores Christian School shooting Chesapeake, Virginia, United States December 16 1988 1

Cleveland School massacre Stockton, California, United States January 17 1989 6

University of Iowa shooting Iowa City, Iowa, United States November 1 1991 6

Lindhurst High School shooting Olivehurst, California, United States May 1 1992 4

Palo Duro High School shooting Amarillo, Texas, United States September 11 1992 0

Berkner High School shooting Richardson, Texas, United States November 6 1992 1

Edward Tilden High School shooting Chicago, Illinois, United States November 20 1992 1

Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States December 14 1992 2

East Carter High School shooting Grayson, Kentucky, United States January 18 1993 2

Amityville High School shooting Amityville, New York, United States February 1 1993 1

Reseda High School shooting Reseda, California, United States February 22 1993 1

Wauwatosa West High School shooting Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, United States December 1 1993 1

Central Middle School shooting Sheridan, Wyoming, United States September 17 1993 1

Margaret Leary Elementary School shooting Butte, Montana, United States April 12 1994 1

Grimsley High School shooting Greensboro, North Carolina, United States October 12 1994 1

Wickliffe Middle School shooting Wickliffe, Ohio, United States November 7 1994 1

Blackville-Hilda High School shooting Blackville, South Carolina, United States October 12 1995 2

Richland High School shooting Lynnville, Tennessee, United States November 15 1995 2

Frontier Middle School shooting Moses Lake, Washington, United States February 2 1996 3

Hamilton High School shooting Scottdale, Georgia, United States February 2 1996 1

San Diego State University shooting San Diego, California, United States August 15 1996 3

Hetzel Union Building shooting State College, Pennsylvania, United States September 17 1996 1

Bethel Regional High School shooting Bethel, Alaska, United States February 19 1997 2

Pearl High School shooting Pearl, Mississippi, United States October 1 1997 2

Heath High School shooting Paducah, Kentucky, United States December 1 1997 3

Westside Middle School shooting Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States March 24 1998 5

Parker Middle School dance shooting1 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States April 24 1998 1

Thurston High School shooting Springfield, Oregon, United States May 20 1998 2

Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado, United States April 20 1999 13

Heritage High School shooting Conyers, Georgia, United States May 20 1999 0

Fort Gibson Middle School shooting Fort Gibson, Oklahoma, United States December 6 1999 0

Buell Elementary School shooting Mount Morris Township, Michigan, United States February 29 2000 1

Lake Worth Middle School shooting Lake Worth, Florida, United States May 26 2000 1

University of Arkansas shooting Fayetteville, Arkansas, United States August 28 2000 2

Santana High School shooting Santee, California, United States March 5 2001 2

Granite Hills High School shooting El Cajon, California, United States March 22 2001 0

Martin Luther King, Jr. High School shooting Manhattan, New York, United States January 15 2002 0

Appalachian School of Law shooting Grundy, Virginia, United States January 16 2002 3

John McDonogh High School shooting New Orleans, Louisiana, United States April 14 2003 1

Red Lion Area Junior High School shootings Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States April 24 2003 2

Case Western Reserve University shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States May 9 2003 1

Rocori High School shooting Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States September 24 2003 2

Columbia High School shooting East Greenbush, New York, United States February 9 2004 0

Fairleigh Dickinson University shooting Florham Park, New Jersey, United States April 4 2004 2

Randallstown High School shooting Randallstown, Maryland, United States May 7 2004 0

Red Lake Senior High School massacre Red Lake, Minnesota, United States March 21 2005 8

Campbell County High School shooting Jacksboro, Tennessee, United States November 8 2005 1

Pine Middle School shooting Reno, Nevada, United States March 14 2006 0

Essex Elementary School shooting[12] Essex, Vermont, United States August 24 2006 2

Orange High School shooting Hillsborough, North Carolina, United States August 30 2006 1

Platte Canyon High School shooting Bailey, Colorado, United States September 27 2006 2

Weston High School shooting Cazenovia, Wisconsin, United States September 29 2006 1

Amish school shooting Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, United States October 2 2006 6

Henry Foss High School shooting Tacoma, Washington, United States January 3 2007 1

Midland Dow High School shooting Midland, Michigan, United States March 8 2007 1

University of North Carolina at Greensboro Greensboro, North Carolina, United States March 24 2007 0[13]

University of Washington shooting Seattle, Washington, United States April 2 2007 2

Virginia Tech massacre Blacksburg, Virginia, United States April 16 2007 33

Delaware State University shooting Dover, Delaware, United States September 21 2007 1

SuccessTech Academy shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States October 10 2007 1

Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States February 8 2008 3

Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee, United States February 11 2008 0

E.O. Green School shooting Oxnard, California, United States February 12 2008 1

Northern Illinois University massacre DeKalb, Illinois, United States February 14 2008 6

Davidson High School Shooting Mobile, Alabama, United States March 9 2008 1

Central High School shooting Knoxville, Tennessee, United States August 21 2008 1

Henry Ford High School shooting Detroit, Michigan, United States October 16 2008 1

2008 University of Central Arkansas shootings Conway, Arkansas, United States October 27 2008 2

Dillard High School shooting Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States November 12 2008 1

Henry Ford Community College shooting Dearborn, Michigan, United States April 10 2009 2

Wesleyan University1 Middletown, Connecticut, United States May 1 2009 1

Canandaigua Academy shooting Canandaigua, New York, United States May 5 2009 1

Harvard University Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States May 18 2009 1[14]

Larose-Cut Off Middle School shooting Larose, Louisiana, United States May 18 2009 1

Skyline College shooting San Bruno, California, United States September 2 2009 0

Atlanta University Center Atlanta, Georgia, United States September 3 2009 1[15]

Deer Valley High School shooting Antioch, California, United States September 16 2009 0

Northern Virginia Community College Woodbridge, Virginia, United States December 8 2009 0

Discovery Middle School Madison, Alabama, United States February 6 2010 1 [16]

University of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville, Alabama, United States February 12 2010 3 [17]

Deer Creek Middle School Jefferson County, Colorado, United States February 23 2010 0[18]

Birney Elementary School Tacoma, Washington, United States February 26 2010 1[19]

Ohio State University Columbus, Ohio, United States March 9 2010 2[20]

Belleville Township HS East Belleville, Illinois, United States August 17 2010 1[21]

University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas, United States September 28 2010 1[22]

Alisal High School Salinas, California, United States October 1 2010 1[23][24]

Mid-Atlantic Christian University Elizabeth City, North Carolina, United States October 3 2010 1[25]

Kelly Elementary School Carlsbad, California, United States October 8 2010 0[26][27]

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Looks like more people want to keep their guns then ban than him judging by the poll. Why don't you go try to convince another forum to hand over their guns to be crushed.

I'm starting to cringe everytime I see a thread that you're posting in. *shivers*
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this is ABSOLUTELY F**** RETARDED rationale for keeping guns. high school massacres only seem to happen in america and make america and its non gun laws look absolutely ridiculous. i cant believe you would even mention this.
Don't you guys have a massive problem with knife crime over there?
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Looks like more people want to keep their guns then ban than him judging by the poll. Why don't you go try to convince another forum to hand over their guns to be crushed.

I'm starting to cringe everytime I see a thread that you're posting in. *shivers*
whos trying to convince anyone. its a debate mate. if you dont like it, then get lost.

youre not the arbiter of taste on this bloody website and you dont own the internet.

stop coming on my thread and trying to convince me and the civilised world that your retarded gun laws that are an international joke and the horror of seeing schools massacred on tv are somehow right.

like seriously...who the hell cares what you think?

you think you can edit users of the website cos you paid for your membership?

if you dont like the thread or have something against me personally then go away!!!! im not your f**** e friend.

if you want to post here then stay on topic and keep the personal talk for your psychiatrist.

lol. wtf

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Claiming someone with a different opinion is F****** retarded doesn't sound like much of a debate but by all means, continue.
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