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post #81 of 107 (permalink) Old 12-01-2010, 04:21 PM Thread Starter
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Don't you guys have a massive problem with knife crime over there?
1 you have much more chance of dying from a gun shot

2 most murders are firearms related in usa, yet the american non gun murder rate is in itself higher than the ''all in'' murder rate in europe.
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Just how we like it. Knives are for pussies.


As others have pointed out, the problem isn't the legality of guns, it's just us Murrricans in general. We like violence and we like killing. If you took our guns we'd kill you with knives and then take our guns back.

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Claiming someone with a different opinion is F****** retarded doesn't sound like much of a debate but by all means, continue.
no mate. its my thread. post on topic or get mod'ed.

i dont care how much you paid for your membership.

this aint the trash talk section.

as for your point... the guy was using high school killings as a defence for gun ownership. it was a bit much.

i put the *s in and i said the rationale he was using was retarded, not the poster, unlike your personal whinging and whining at me.

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Just how we like it. Knives are for pussies.


As others have pointed out, the problem isn't the legality of guns, it's just us Murrricans in general. We like violence and we like killing. If you took our guns we'd kill you with knives and then take our guns back.
dont act hard cos you live in a sh*thole.

its nothing to be proud off.

do you seriously think the russian or irish mafia in london give a toss about 'muricans and their guns.

this ..''we are hard'' crap is annoying with all due respect. its fair enough when aimed at the ''gangstas'', but when you bring the 25% women and children killed into it and the innocent guys who had nothing to do with the attacker, it gets a bit much.

most of the people reading this and attacking the anti gun arguement are overly politicised but basically talking about self defence, not starting a mafia empire. it goes with the mentality of mma, and i get that. i can understand their arguments even if i dont agree with them, but acting like its all john wayne and tough guy americans ignores a lot of innocent helpless victims. the very people the ''big man'' gun holders here would be hoping to protect in the first place.

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dont act hard cos you live in a sh*thole.

its nothing to be proud off.

do you seriously think the russian or irish mafia in london give a toss about 'muricans and their guns.

this ..''we are hard'' crap is annoying with all due respect. its fair enough when aimed at the ''gangstas'', but when you bring the 25% women and children killed into it and the innocent guys who had nothing to do with the attacker, it gets a bit much.

most of the people reading this and attacking the anti gun arguement are overly politicised but basically talking about self defence, not starting a mafia empire. it goes with the mentality of mma, and i get that. i can understand their arguments even if i dont agree with them, but acting like its all john wayne and tough guy americans ignores a lot of innocent helpless victims. the very people the ''big man'' gun holders here would be hoping to protect in the first place.
why do you have such a problem with how america has chosen to handle its gun laws? it doesnt even affect you. let us live how we want, stop trying to play nanny.

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why do you have such a problem with how america has chosen to handle its gun laws? it doesnt even affect you. let us live how we want, stop trying to play nanny.
how is that on topic?

i got the right to debate what i like in ''lounge'' or else why have one?

is mmaf just for ppl who agree with you.

what of the 25% who agree with me.

the thread is ''should guns be banned'' not ''should guns be banned in america.''

no ones trying to nanny anyone apart from yourself with all due respect.

why are you so vehemently arguing for the second amendment when you clearly have an issue with the first.


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It's on topic because I'm wondering what your motivation is regarding the topic. And if you think that's a violation of the first amendment, you don't actually understand what the first amendment is. Admittedly you're from england, and plenty of americans don't even understand it, so you're forgiven.

oh ya, guns are cool btw. i think you're just jealous that you can't have one. trying to spoil it for everyone else!

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It's on topic because I'm wondering what your motivation is regarding the topic. And if you think that's a violation of the first amendment, you don't actually understand what the first amendment is. Admittedly you're from england, and plenty of americans don't even understand it, so you're forgiven.
i didnt say it was a violation of the first. i said you seemed to have a problem with the first. a private website isnt covered ... i know. i also know this website makes money internationally, so i would ask you - why the insular attitude to ppl who arent american?

i would also ask you if it is the role of a moderator to ask personal questions in main and attack free use within the rules of the website?

is it the role of a moderator to side with the 75% majority against the 25% who have a differing opinion?

if its just about me expressing my opinion , then fair enough, but if you dont thing the 25 % who also voted in favour are represented in the majority of ppl who read this site without joining up, why do you feel that?

if you dont think those silent readers are from other places than usa....why do you feel that?

if you dont think you are dissuading them by attacking a minority opinion from a different country...explain.


im sorry i just dont see how you are moderating a thread by attacking a minority opinion (off topic), that seems to be relatively well supported in the poll.

it seems like an easy way out.

ps i didnt say i didnt have a gun.

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surrender yourself to the authorities, criminal.

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surrender yourself to the authorities, criminal.


i didnt say i did either.

my point is that you dont know me and this thread isnt about me.

if i argue, its about society and its because of the ppl who agree but are afraid to say it.

we all know theres a big percent who do, as evidenced by polls far bigger than this one.

i am simply going on evidence. the poll was in response to yet another high school gun incident over there that made the news here, but obviously wasnt thought of as important enough for anyone to care yoursides.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101130..._afp/ushostage


Only one in six Americans own handguns.

Surprisingly, only 25 percent of adults own a firearm. Of these, three out of four own more than one gun.

In homes with guns, a member of the household is almost three times as likely to be the victim of a homicide compared to gun-free homes.

For every time a gun in the home is used in a self-defense homicide, a gun will be used in

1.3 unintentional deaths
4.6 criminal homicides
37 suicides

For every time a civilian uses a handgun to kill in self-defense, 43 people lose their lives in handgun homicides alone.


Polls over the past 20 years have consistently shown that one out of three Americans support a ban on handgun possession (except by law enforcement officers)

Every federal Court of Appeals that has considered the meaning of the Second Amendment has held that it protects the right of states to maintain a militia, not an individual right to own a gun.

In 1981 the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals stated that "possession of a handgun by individuals is not part of the right to keep and bear arms."
In 1976 the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals noted "the erroneous supposition that the Second Amendment is concerned with the rights of individuals rather than those of the states."

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