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This shit just makes me sick. These fuucks are planning on showing up at the funerals of the children killed in the tornado.
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Randomly came across this only thread and I'd say I lost here....cause I raged at the guy recording it.

Imagine someone out there has a dead child they just murdered in the back of their car. They don't have to get out, barely need to roll down their window, don't need to give ID, don't need to answer questions, don't need to let police search their car...basically if what all of that is about is true you can basically just murder a kid, stick it in the boot of the car and say they cant open it to see?

I also take it with a pinch of salt. All across America people are refusing to consent to the police unless the officer show 3 forms of identification where really it's something like 2 states or something where this law actually exists.
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Randomly came across this only thread and I'd say I lost here....cause I raged at the guy recording it.



Imagine someone out there has a dead child they just murdered in the back of their car. They don't have to get out, barely need to roll down their window, don't need to give ID, don't need to answer questions, don't need to let police search their car...basically if what all of that is about is true you can basically just murder a kid, stick it in the boot of the car and say they cant open it to see?



I also take it with a pinch of salt. All across America people are refusing to consent to the police unless the officer show 3 forms of identification where really it's something like 2 states or something where this law actually exists.

Police/guards have no right to search you or your property unless they have a reasonable suspicion you have broken a law. Americans have no obligation to consent to any searches or ID checks or answer any personal questions unless showing signs of breaking a law.

Case in point a few months ago when I was fishing at dead lake, police showed up and said someone called and reported a bunch of motorcycles peeling out and causing disturbances in the area, I was nice and told him I haven't heard anything. He then asked me what I was doing, I said none of your business. After a few minutes of back and forth he wanted my ID, I told him no he cannot have my ID. He had no right whatsoever asking me any personal questions or asking me for Identification without me being suspect of a crime, which I was not. Eventually he got frustrated and went away, never got my ID, never found out "what i was doing", he wasted his time doing something he had zero right to do and left.

Americans have the legal right to not be harassed by our appointed servants. Unless you are being suspected of committing a crime, you are in your full legal right to go about your business and tell the officer to **** off (in those exact words if you wish). I have nothing against being nice and answering a simple question such as "have you seen motorists around?" when he was called there because of that, that's just being a decent person. However, once the personal questions start, they can **** right the **** off. Don't harass me and ask me personal questions unless I'm committing a crime, go mind your own business, all you do is piss me off at that point and I don't tolerate that shit. I'll gladly waste as much time as humanly possible letting an officer stand there asking me the same 2 questions over and over and over and over and over again until he gets so frustrated he leaves, I've done it more than once. If I very clearly do not have to answer your stupid questions, and you eventually walk away because you know I don't have to answer your stupid questions, then don't ask me your stupid questions, just go about your day. Instead of trying to harass me and failing, how about go do something productive like, oh I don't know, your job.


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People don't realize that most of the time, acting like dicks is what make then being treated like dicks in return.
Why not having the common sense of spending 5 freaking minutes to answer a few questions and show some ID and help the officer doing his job?
I wonder if a man have entered the house of this driver, beat the crap out if him, r@ped his wife, molested his kids and stole property and got away from a police block like this jus by citing his "legal rights". Would he think it's alright, because it's the "legal right" of the criminal not to be bothered while fleeing a crime scene?


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Police/guards have no right to search you or your property unless they have a reasonable suspicion you have broken a law. Americans have no obligation to consent to any searches or ID checks or answer any personal questions unless showing signs of breaking a law.

Case in point a few months ago when I was fishing at dead lake, police showed up and said someone called and reported a bunch of motorcycles peeling out and causing disturbances in the area, I was nice and told him I haven't heard anything. He then asked me what I was doing, I said none of your business. After a few minutes of back and forth he wanted my ID, I told him no he cannot have my ID. He had no right whatsoever asking me any personal questions or asking me for Identification without me being suspect of a crime, which I was not. Eventually he got frustrated and went away, never got my ID, never found out "what i was doing", he wasted his time doing something he had zero right to do and left.

Americans have the legal right to not be harassed by our appointed servants. Unless you are being suspected of committing a crime, you are in your full legal right to go about your business and tell the officer to **** off (in those exact words if you wish). I have nothing against being nice and answering a simple question such as "have you seen motorists around?" when he was called there because of that, that's just being a decent person. However, once the personal questions start, they can **** right the **** off. Don't harass me and ask me personal questions unless I'm committing a crime, go mind your own business, all you do is piss me off at that point and I don't tolerate that shit. I'll gladly waste as much time as humanly possible letting an officer stand there asking me the same 2 questions over and over and over and over and over again until he gets so frustrated he leaves, I've done it more than once. If I very clearly do not have to answer your stupid questions, and you eventually walk away because you know I don't have to answer your stupid questions, then don't ask me your stupid questions, just go about your day. Instead of trying to harass me and failing, how about go do something productive like, oh I don't know, your job.


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But take my analogy. Imagine this dude has a dead kid in his car. How does that change the scenario? You're cool with him quoting a bunch of shit he read on the internet and getting away with it scott free?

Also, I'd probably suspect someone of committing a crime because refusing to tell them the absolutely legal thing you're doing is shady as fuk. Also if they have ID on themm and refuse to show it, also shady as fuk. Completely needless and imagine it was someone else. Imagine the cops have been given a name of someone to look for who might be the one who took Madaline McCann or something. Imagine the dude the cops asking for IQ from was the guy who took her, and this little girl's life is completely in the hands in that guy just saying "lol fuk off I'm doing criminal shit and you cant ask about it"?

What Sportsman said. Obviously the original cop in the video as a fuking idiot, and I guess people with cameras are showing the stupidity of some police because they freeze up and make mistakes when they know they are venerable with cameras and stuff. But at the same time, you refuse to roll down your window and stick it all on tape? OBVIOUSLY trying to cause problems and seek attention.
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People don't realize that most of the time, acting like dicks is what make then being treated like dicks in return.
Why not having the common sense of spending 5 freaking minutes to answer a few questions and show some ID and help the officer doing his job?
I wonder if a man have entered the house of this driver, beat the crap out if him, r@ped his wife, molested his kids and stole property and got away from a police block like this jus by citing his "legal rights". Would he think it's alright, because it's the "legal right" of the criminal not to be bothered while fleeing a crime scene?
Except it's not helping the officer do his job, he ISN'T doing his job. His job does not involve, in any way shape or form, stopping random people who are not committing any crimes and asking them personal questions/asking for their ID. That is called harassment and is not allowed on a legal level. It's against the law for a reason, as an officer you are not allowed to do that. It's no different than if you are working out at a gym, and I walk in and start telling you that I want to know where you have been, what you are doing, where you are going, show me your ID, etc. What is your response? Mine would be get the hell away from me, it's none of your damn business what I'm doing or where I'm going or anything. An officer has 0 right to ask these questions if you are not committing a crime or being a suspected of committing one. An officer is no more than a normal regular human being walking around who is there to SERVE us, not HARASS us. When we need one of them, we will call, otherwise they can mind their own business like anybody else.

It isn't their job to harass citizens walking around or fishing or doing some activity showing no signs of committing a crime, that isn't their job, and helping them harass citizens isn't a good thing, it's a horrible thing.

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But take my analogy. Imagine this dude has a dead kid in his car. How does that change the scenario? You're cool with him quoting a bunch of shit he read on the internet and getting away with it scott free?

Also, I'd probably suspect someone of committing a crime because refusing to tell them the absolutely legal thing you're doing is shady as fuk. Also if they have ID on themm and refuse to show it, also shady as fuk. Completely needless and imagine it was someone else. Imagine the cops have been given a name of someone to look for who might be the one who took Madaline McCann or something. Imagine the dude the cops asking for IQ from was the guy who took her, and this little girl's life is completely in the hands in that guy just saying "lol fuk off I'm doing criminal shit and you cant ask about it"?

What Sportsman said. Obviously the original cop in the video as a fuking idiot, and I guess people with cameras are showing the stupidity of some police because they freeze up and make mistakes when they know they are venerable with cameras and stuff. But at the same time, you refuse to roll down your window and stick it all on tape? OBVIOUSLY trying to cause problems and seek attention.
Refusing to tell them information when you have no right to tell them information is not only legal, but expected. It's your lawful right to tell an officer to screw off if he's asking you personal questions/trying to get your ID without you having done a crime or being suspected of a crime. It's your legal right for a reason, for a very important reason, so that you are not at the whim and will of GED graduates who barely passed high school (yes, in America you can be a police officer without having even graduated high school the normal and proper way) anytime they want. You have a legal right to go about your business and refuse to answer/participate in their harassment if you are not committing a crime.

As for a kid being trapped in a car or whatever, most people typically agree to searches and stuff like that for very important things (even if they don't have to, which they don't). There's a difference between everyone running around trying to find an abducted child and someone asking for your ID/asking you tons of questions they have no right to be doing these things when you are minding your own business.

If an officer is part of a group trying to find a missing child, I'd be more than happy to help answer questions. If an officer is trying to harass me by asking me questions/wanting to ID me when he has no legal right to do either because I'm minding my own business, he can **** off and I'll tell him so to his face and he will do just that. A police officer when you are not committing a crime/being suspected of a crime is no different than any random guy walking around the street. You do not have to answer questions or be harassed or any such thing. They have no right to stop you or ID you or anything. As such, they should be treated like that, if some random guy walks up to me asking me personal questions and wanting to see my ID, I'd tell him to mind his own business and move on, and that's exactly how you should (and how many do) handle police when they do this same thing. They are there to serve, not harass.

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