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post #71 of 133 (permalink) Old 08-21-2012, 06:13 AM
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I mean i could use the same argument against an evolutionist theory on how old the Earth is. If the Moon moves away from the Earth 2 to 3 inches every year, which if you use the same carbon dating principles they use for fossils, you assume it has been doing the same thing since "the beginning of time", which if the earth is 20 billion years old, it simply wouldn't add up. When they say these fossils existed (4 billion years ago is as far as they have dated back), the tides would have been so strong the earth would have been inhabitable. Same rule can be applied to the sun who's is getting 5 inches smaller every hour, which if the Earth is 20 billion years old, it would have not been inhabitable. But if you believe the Earth is 6-10 thousand years old, as a creationist does, then those factors would not make a unlivable effect.

The theory is that the moon was created when Earth and Mars collided 4,5 billion years ago. So it hasn't been doing the same thing since the beginning of time because it's relatively young. And life begins in water. I'm no expert but I don't think life in the seas is made difficult by the tides. To counter the sun argument... well, I don't have to because it might be right. The oldest fossils found are 3,4 billion years old so maybe Earth was uninhabitable 20 billion years ago. It doesn't conflict with scientific data.




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I mean i could use the same argument against an evolutionist theory on how old the Earth is. If the Moon moves away from the Earth 2 to 3 inches every year, which if you use the same carbon dating principles they use for fossils, you assume it has been doing the same thing since "the beginning of time", which if the earth is 20 billion years old, it simply wouldn't add up. When they say these fossils existed (4 billion years ago is as far as they have dated back), the tides would have been so strong the earth would have been inhabitable. Same rule can be applied to the sun who's is getting 5 inches smaller every hour, which if the Earth is 20 billion years old, it would have not been inhabitable. But if you believe the Earth is 6-10 thousand years old, as a creationist does, then those factors would not make a unlivable effect.



We are obviously violating the threads rules but I'd like to make it clear that though my faith is in creation and not evolution i do acknowledge the fact that either way you have to believe that either God came from nothing and has always existed or that mass/energy has always existed and came from nothing. You can not argue the quantum theory against a creationist because any "law" such as it or gravity would have been put into existence by a creator that created the world. If you are interested in learning about creationism and the FACTS (That don't rely on the Bible) I can show you some videos that are highly extensive and argue all points of creation vs evolution.
I've seen many videos of creationism vs evolution and the like, none of which show me, on any level, the creationism is real. It's all very silly to me.

As for life on Earth, scientists estimate the first sign of life on earth was 3.8 billion years ago, and it's not based on fossils, there were no fossils during this stage of the planet, it is the chemicals of a living organism from a rock that was deep in the ocean (back then) which we found in Greenland (that's where life started, in water not on land). Eventually, this life transformed into flora on the ocean floor, life grew, spread, and as such created oxygen, which was about 2.4-2.8 billion years ago give or take. This (oxygen) allowed for the eventual existence of land life.

Also, who said the Earth is 20 billion years old? We clock the Universe at 14.6 billion years old, we clock Earth at 4.5. Also, scientists tend to not carbon date fossils, as it's not as accurate as other types of dating.

You talk about evolution and life, but it seems you know very little about it. I can link you a few websites you can go to that explains all of this in detail, not twisted detail by non-scientist creationists, but information from actual scientists in the field who explain it thoroughly.

I like BM's quote when he said "in a debate about science, you have scientists and non-scientists, since the subject is indeed science, the non-scientists don't have a leg to stand on". It would be like trying to present the stork theory (babies come from the stork) to someone who studies reproduction for a living and has multiple degrees in it. It's silly.
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The whole Jimmy Saville thing going on in the UK is making me rage unbelievably. He was KNOWN to be sexually assaulting minors for 40 years and no one done anything because "he was powerful and done charity work". Britain sickens me sometimes.


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The whole Jimmy Saville thing going on in the UK is making me rage unbelievably. He was KNOWN to be sexually assaulting minors for 40 years and no one done anything because "he was powerful and done charity work". Britain sickens me sometimes.
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I remember reading about that, didn't people come out in defence of the head coach too?


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A lot of people. The sports culture, especially the football culture is scary in this country. Serious god complex.

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Not this thread-worthy by any means but why the hell do some people believe this? And SO many in facebook are sharing this crap.


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Actually, the method they use to find out the age of the fossils is by the layer of Earth its found in. And guess how they decide which age each layer declares what's found in it? By the fossils in them...
Ugh, I studied Paleoanthropology and I lose this thread.

The person who told you this was either a creationist or a child.

How about getting information from sources that actually, you know, study these things as their discipline?

The problem with Creationism is it comes from a reactionary place trying to disprove something posited by a method which simply arose out of a discipline of truth-seeking.Science is limited by what can be proven by evidence, if Creationism had evidence for its claims, Science would have no problems updating its theories. Creationism is always going to be more biased and less informed because its principle is to reject, by any means, anything contrary to its dogma. In other words, its not interested in empirical truth.

There are dozen's of techniques used to date fossils including which stratum they are found (which is not the way the geological age is determined), but also using many other kinds of methods, some environment dependent and some not, depending on the place you find the fossils and how old they might be.

Scientists will compare the findings of as MANY techniques as they can against each other. If they all point to approximately the same time range, guess what? The fossil is probably that age.

Its sort of offensive and extremely ignorant, and intellectually dishonest to simply post something that basically implies scientist are idiots, especially when you haven't even superficially delved into the topic.

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Not this thread-worthy by any means but why the hell do some people believe this? And SO many in facebook are sharing this crap.

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