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Old 08-09-2011, 12:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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yay!

Angry Limbs = good fun.

Lets get more angry...
In the UK, they froze all nurses salaries for 3 years. After they did that, which is bad enough, they then decided to cut the frozen salary by £500 a year. There are about 330000 nurses in the UK = a saving of about £165 million a year.

Meanwhile...

They decommission 9 Nimrod spy planes ( 4 of which are virtually complete ) at the cost of 4 FECKING BILLION QUID. These are planes that have never been used. Because apparently, we cant afford to run them. Will we, the tax payers, get the money back from the companies that built them? Feck no. Are they willing to sell them to another country? No. So we now have to pay to demolish them as well.


Now, what kind of dark horrible mean shit is that? Clearly the 165 million they stole from the nurses means nothing to these c*unts, but everything to the nurses... and yet they do it anyway. As if nurses salaries is where we should be looking to cut, as opposed to buying very expensive planes from private arms firms, or buying £500million worth of "flu vaccines" from private pharmaceutical companies using TAX PAYERS MONEY and never needing them.

So brazen are the choices that I have to believe they are *trying* to get us to riot. Theres no other explanation.
Angry Limbs is angry...

I think every coutry has situations like this one: corrupt politicians watching over their interests. And their assoaciates' interests of course.

But: the effect of actions like that one is far devastating is poor countries, such as Romania.

Example: they've started a nation wide campaign of building sports gyms, from the contributor's money of course. But the companies that won the contracts are close related to the politicians who are in charge atm. And they're charging twice as much money as normal. And the autorities have no reaction, because it's their own interest at stake.

Or: the city i live in is financing a soccer team. From public money of course. They're using 3 million pounds/year to finance the team - wich is shitty btw, but at the same time they've closed 3 hospitals, because they don't have money to finance them.
They say they don't have money to pay doctors and nurses, but they're paying 8,000 pounds/month to a brazilian soccer player, who gives a f*uck about this town.


How absurd is that?!

I don't wanna have a soccer team. I wanna have a hospital to go to, when i'm sick. A hospital that is well equipped to treat its patients.

PS: do you know Romania has probably the most expensive highways in the world?! And that's funny...because we actually don't really have highways.
The government signed a contract with Bechtel, to build highways. But the costs/km are astronomical. One km of highway costs around 20 million dollars.
More than in Germany or the US.




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ok just a quick check for my on curiosity.

How many posters in this thread have ever campaigned for a candidate or an issue?

How many belong to a political party?

How many voted in the last election they were eligible for?

How many can name the federal politician who is supposed to be answering to you and your neighbors?

that would be a good place to start changing the world.

get involved. Be constructive. Don't be a bobby
Romania is a s*it hole for the most part.

Romania is a paradox.

It's one of the richest countries in terms of natural resources, but the people living here are some of the poorest in Europe.

One of the governments, the one that was in charge in 1998 sold all of our natural resources - gas + petrol - to foreign companies. For nothing.
What country sells its natural resources?!

Wars have been started to get hold of natural resources and someone decides to sell them?! And then buy them for double the price from other countries....

It's hard for me to explain the "who", "why" and "how" regarding the situation here.

You wouldn't understand Romania...

And i'm sick of it. That's why i'm trying to get out of this place...
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I love threads like this

The problem started in 1999, sorry Clinton, I love you to death but nafta.. Cmon. It was the deregulation of banks and it just got out of hand. It used to be okay. But when you make 30k a year and you get approved to buy a 400k $ house that's only worth 200k it causes problems. Remember enron? So they were selling debt and losses to offshore businesses that didn't exist.. That's bad, it's like making money or value out of nothing. It was 2005 when I was sitting in a business class and I remember the professor talking about the housing crisis to come and how it would affect our nation forever. Seems funny to me now, but I thought he full of shit.


One thing I think would help would be inescapable taxes for corporations. Which would be 35% or I suppose we could lower it a bit, but minimum 28% paid regardless. I know you've all heard about GE not paying any tax last year? But did you hear they got a 3 billion $ tax refund? I find that hilarious, and we think terrorists wear turbans xD isn't big business a bunch of cunts

@old

I don't belong to a political party. The two biggest enemies of mine are 1. Big business and 2. big government. I believe banks should be heavily regulated, corporations and the wealthy should shoulder the brunt of taxes not the middle class, states should hold the majority of governing powers in their borders not the federal government, when California says marijuana is legal then in California it's legal and the Feds can piss off

Ive voted, campaigned an issue, belonged to a party and I don't just know the guys name I've spoken with him on the phone (I called and his secretary let me through). I do believe in government, in small doses.

All of this ^ is opinionated and I could be wrong
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That Soccer story is new levels of c*untish behaviour. Wow. I'm surprised the mobs don't kill these feckers.



I read a statistic today that said that if we took 0.1% of the money made by the financial sector in one year, it would clear our ( the UKs ) so called deficit.

How completely f*ucked up is that?

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So now the question is... If America falls into bankruptcy, how do we raise Em back up. Hey I do my part, all Abilitys stuff is manufactured there, I support their economy and I'm Canadian.
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PS: do you know Romania has probably the most expensive highways in the world?! And that's funny...because we actually don't really have highways.
The government signed a contract with Bechtel, to build highways. But the costs/km are astronomical. One km of highway costs around 20 million dollars.
More than in Germany or the US
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^^that's the cost of building through Vampire country.


@ xeb- that's cool. My congressman knows me too. And I have to give him credit, he got instant help for my parents after I had banged my head on local governments wall for 2 years. Some of them actually want to do good. The problem is they get more attention from lobbyists than they do from US.


Soojoo i know your twisted sense of humor can appreciate this- A guy I went to school with just posted on FB " I'm confused. Did London win the Stanly cup?"
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I love threads like this

The problem started in 1999, sorry Clinton, I love you to death but nafta.. Cmon. It was the deregulation of banks and it just got out of hand. It used to be okay. But when you make 30k a year and you get approved to buy a 400k $ house that's only worth 200k it causes problems. Remember enron? So they were selling debt and losses to offshore businesses that didn't exist.. That's bad, it's like making money or value out of nothing. It was 2005 when I was sitting in a business class and I remember the professor talking about the housing crisis to come and how it would affect our nation forever. Seems funny to me now, but I thought he full of shit.


One thing I think would help would be inescapable taxes for corporations. Which would be 35% or I suppose we could lower it a bit, but minimum 28% paid regardless. I know you've all heard about GE not paying any tax last year? But did you hear they got a 3 billion $ tax refund? I find that hilarious, and we think terrorists wear turbans xD isn't big business a bunch of cunts

@old

I don't belong to a political party. The two biggest enemies of mine are 1. Big business and 2. big government. I believe banks should be heavily regulated, corporations and the wealthy should shoulder the brunt of taxes not the middle class, states should hold the majority of governing powers in their borders not the federal government, when California says marijuana is legal then in California it's legal and the Feds can piss off

Ive voted, campaigned an issue, belonged to a party and I don't just know the guys name I've spoken with him on the phone (I called and his secretary let me through). I do believe in government, in small doses.

All of this ^ is opinionated and I could be wrong
I'm glad we're on the same page but the highlighted part is way off dude. In fact, the real problems started with the establishment of the federal reserve in 1913. Woodrow Wilson was the president at the time and this is what he had to say on the subject.

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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
by:
Woodrow Wilson
(1856-1924) 28th US President
Date:
1916
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Attributed. In reference to signing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Most likely a compilation of 2 quotes from his book The New Freedom, 1916. No source found for "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country."

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So now the question is... If America falls into bankruptcy, how do we raise Em back up. Hey I do my part, all Abilitys stuff is manufactured there, I support their economy and I'm Canadian.
Inter, there's nothing you can personally do to help get the US out of this debt. It was constructed by Wall St and the Federal Reserve. Concentrate your efforts, if you want to help, on taking what you've heard from me and soojouku, do your own research and help spread the word! Watch that first vid that I posted on the last page. It will be an eye opener!
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I love threads like this

One thing I think would help would be inescapable taxes for corporations. Which would be 35% or I suppose we could lower it a bit, but minimum 28% paid regardless. I know you've all heard about GE not paying any tax last year? But did you hear they got a 3 billion $ tax refund? I find that hilarious, and we think terrorists wear turbans xD isn't big business a bunch of cunts


All of this ^ is opinionated and I could be wrong
You're not wrong.
Those f*uck-ups in 5,000 dollars suits are the real terrorists.
They're the ones raising their hand: "hey governments, we're in deep shit, because we lost A LOT OF VIRTUAL MONEY. And you must give us A LOT OF REAL MONEY now, so that we won't go bankrupt. If not, the world will die..."

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@Limbs
That Soccer story is new levels of c*untish behaviour. Wow. I'm surprised the mobs don't kill these feckers.
It was voted behind closed doors by the local Council.
The vice-mayor is the club's president.
Need i say more?!


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^^that's the cost of building through Vampire country.
It's not about that. The same company built a highway in Croatia for HALP THE PRICE! And the place where they've built it has the same geological characteristics as Romania.

People who try to use common sense and logic just say: "well...you can punish them my not voting them at the next elections". F*UCK THAT!

So, i must endure a sh*itty life for about 4 years then?! Just because they got elected?! And in the meantime they're robbing this country blind?!

Shotgun...

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Inter, there's nothing you can personally do to help get the US out of this debt. It was constructed by Wall St and the Federal Reserve. Concentrate your efforts, if you want to help, on taking what you've heard from me and soojouku, do your own research and help spread the word! Watch that first vid that I posted on the last page. It will be an eye opener!
1. It's not Wall Street alone.

It's about all Stock Exchanges.
They're the biggest FRAUDS! A Stock Exchange is like Wonderland (Alice).

How can they announce that 11,000 BILLION dollars have been lost on the Stock Exchange?! LOST HOW?! LOST TO WHO?!
When someone loses, someone else is winning.

If i lose 100 $ on the street, someone else is gonna find that money and take it = win for him.

But not the Stock Exchange! That's the place where money evaporates, just like a scene from one of David Copperfield's shows.
"We had 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars, but something happened and all that money dissapeared!!!"

Give me a f*ucking break!!!

The recent drama that happened on all Stock Exchanges around the world, especially Wall Street is a direct result of 2 rating companies, Fitch and Standard&Poors, lowering USA's investment rating from AAA to AA+.

That caused massive concerns and hysteria and it forced all stock indicators to lose value = losing IMMAGINARY MONEY!

Basically, some d*ick heads - who clearly had no interest in all of this - woke up one morning and decided the US isn't the best place to invest at this moment.
And all of a sudden everyone panicked. And virtual money stated dissappearing from WONDERLAND all of a sudden.


2. It's a known fact: every country in the world has big debts. Question is: to who?!
USA, Germany, Japan, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Russia, Australia etc - all of them have HUGE DEBTS.

If you add of the countries debts worlwide they exceed all the money that exists in the world by far.
It's impossible for a countries to have such huge debts towards banks. Banks don't produce anything. They rely on people's money to exist. And all that money comes from somewhere.
The whole concept of loaning money with interest is a scam in the first place. The interest doesn't exist in the beggining, but it is created from nothing.
Wich should be impossible.

3. I was watching a TV show a few hours ago and a romanian economist said the following: this "crisis" won't be over until we get rid of the elements that created it. All the banks, investment fonds, financial corporations, stock exchanges etc - they all had a big role in creating this situation, in 2007. They are like a virus. Wich made the world economy sick. What happened after that is, instead of treating the source of this dissease, governments tried to treat the symptoms.
All those corporations are like a CANCER. You can treat the symptoms, but if you don't remove the cancerous cells, the cancer will come back.


All those corporations should have been left to go bakrupt if that was the case. Instead they got a PASS and now they're doing it again.

Why did that happen?! Why is that happening again?!

I remember reading stories about how "bankers" were trying to convince governments to help them. Because they need to be helped.

My question is: why aren't bank clients treated like that?!

If you miss your bank payment by 15 days they're already calling you. If you miss your payment by more than 30 days they're already making "disguised threats"...formal conversations.

We just have to look at the situation to see how ridiculous and completely imbecile it sounds: a certain british bank, (Bank X) has problems and they ask for help from the british Government. They get help in the form of X billion pounds.
All that money comes from taxes raised by the government from its citizens. But, the government needs to get that money back now. So...they raise taxes or cut public expenses = cut salaries or even fire people.
Citizen "Smith" just had a pay cut and now he can't afford to pay his mortgage, wich he owns Bank X. He goes to the bank and tries to explain his situation, but all he gets isa re-negotiation of the original contract, that would turn him into a slave for life if he signs it.
And that's the best-case scenario.
The normal scenario is: the bank doesn't wanna hear about that. They don't care about Smith's problems.
Even though, their existence has been guaranteed by the money taken from Smith and millions like him.

True story.

In the end i will agree with Soojooko and something he said in his first post of this thread: people should go to the bank and WITHDRAW ALL THEIR MONEY!!! AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. A perfect situation would be: ALL PEOPLE!

That would clean this CANCER that is the current international banking "cartel".
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1. It's not Wall Street alone.

It's about all Stock Exchanges.
They're the biggest FRAUDS! A Stock Exchange is like Wonderland (Alice).
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Yeah man, your right. Just a bunch of suits writing a few numbers on a napkin and swapping it for another napkin. Ridiculous. No real money gets exchanged.
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Yeah man, your right. Just a bunch of suits writing a few numbers on a napkin and swapping it for another napkin. Ridiculous. No real money gets exchanged.
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