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post #1 of 3 (permalink) Old 09-27-2011, 03:17 PM Thread Starter
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If you break the law go to jail.. Or Jesus..

If you’re charged with a nonviolent crime in one Alabama town, you might just have the chance to pray it all away.

Starting this week, under a new program called Operation ROC (Restore Our Community), local judges in Bay Minette, Alabama, will give those found guilty of misdemeanors the choice of serving out their time in jail, paying a fine or attending church each Sunday for a year.

The goal of the program is to help steer those who are not yet hardened criminals the chance to turn their lives around. Those who choose to go to church (there are no mosques or synagogues in the area) will have to check in with a pastor and the police department each week, CNN affiliate WKRG reported. Once you attend church every week for a year the case would be dismissed.

Police Chief Mike Rowland said the measure is one that would help save money and help direct people down the right path. Rowland told WKRG it costs $75 a day to house each inmate.

“Longevity is the key,” he told WKRG.

He said he believes 30-day drug programs don’t have the long-term capabilities to heal someone in the ways the ROC program might.

Police in the town said they think it is a simple choice, but others think it’s a choice that shouldn’t even be offered.

The ACLU in Alabama said the idea is “blatantly unconstitutional,” according to the Alabama Press-Register.

“It violates one basic tenet of the Constitution, namely that government can’t force participation in religious activity,” Olivia Turner, executive director for the ACLU of Alabama told the paper.

Rowland acknowledged there were concerns about separation of church and state complaints but said he didn’t see it as too big of a problem because offenders weren’t being forced to attend church, they are just being given the option.

The offenders who voluntarily choose church over jail get to pick the churches they attend. If they complete a year’s attendance, Rowland said, their criminal case would be dismissed.

Look.. This is very offensive to me.. But it's not a terrible idea.. I mean you can't do that shit. But I'd like it to be an option if I were in such a situation. Ideas, thoughts, MC hold me.. I'm lost on this issue. It's wrong but I like it, but I don't like it

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. ~ Thomas Jefferson

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post #2 of 3 (permalink) Old 09-27-2011, 04:29 PM
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And here I thought church and state were separated. Stupid little me.

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post #3 of 3 (permalink) Old 09-27-2011, 04:35 PM
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Well, there's a few points I can make:

1. It's Alabama. In the future when most people don't even believe any of this magic man in the sky stuff as we learn more and more about everything, Alabama will still be 99% Christian.

2. Church, for any atheist or non-believer, is worse than jail. I'm sure people will take the 30 days in jail or whatever, and pass on going to church for a year, I know I would.

3. As for it being unconstitutional, it doesn't really matter. The US constitution and Bill of Rights is just a joke. These things are being broken all the time now. Cops can enter your home without permits, they can just come in anytime they want now. The "US Constitution" has been broken a few times already.

4. On separation between church and state, it has never been so. Politicians push their God belief to get elected. An atheist cannot even realistically run for high office, much less win, so the whole church and state separation was long gone a long time ago.

Honestly, at this point, all these laws and rules and constitution and church and state separation and all this, it's all just a big joke. None of it is real, these things get broken all the time. It's like American rights, we don't have rights, we have privileges that the American government gives us, and that they can take away anytime they see fit.

So, if Alabama wants to let people go to church for a year to serve their sentence (lol) then I don't really care. Someday people will either wise up and get smart and realize none of this magical man in the sky stuff is real and that we need to focus on real things, or people won't, and we'll continue down this path of running this country and running our laws based on fantasy and fiction.

Either way, I'll be dead in 50 years probably so, yeah, I'm sort of done justifying/arguing about what goes on in this country (or any country), it's all just silly and I'm just going to sit back and watch, as everytime a step moves forward, we move backwards, like this.

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