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Old 12-21-2011, 02:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Charlie Chaplin says: I don't always speak in my movies but when I do ...I give the best speech ever.

Patriotism is dying out because people are ignorant to what it has done for them.

anyone sitting in a comfortable chair, in a heated home, reading this on their computer, owes everything that they have to the strife and struggles of the Patriots of their country.

Without them your life would look like this.

and you would never know the luxury of sitting on your ass and criticizing everything that others have done while you have done nothing.

You'd be too concerned with what or who you were going to eat next.

I cut the videos and pic out of the quote because the quote would have been pretty long.

You are correct that America once had something really going for it, and patriotism once was a good thing that aided us quite well, before it was completely established and back when that's all we knew. However, if living on past accomplishments is what matters, then we should never have progress. There was "once" a time when patriotism was needed, that time is now gone, and many people want no part of it.

No one is saying America doesn't deserve some level of praise for what it once was and what it once did, but those times are gone now. Now we use our military to attack other much more smaller countries to make money, and send our troops to guard poppy fields because it's a multi-billion dollar business interest. Now we owe a lifetime of debt when we get sick, or have even more of our so called "freedom" taken away by another law that's passed, or another innocent kid gets shot by an uneducated police officer because there's no competent system in place to weed out the idiots of such a job.

Patriotism simply isn't needed anymore, criticism is, not just a little bit of it, but a lot of it, and many people are starting to see that.

More importantly, more people have died over such ideas of a united nation than pretty much ever other source except possibly religion. It's simply not needed anymore, at least, not nearly as on a high level as it has been in the past.
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
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M.C. When I think of American and when I see the flag and hear the anthem to be honest our government is one of the last things that comes to mind. I think of freedom, liberty, valor, persistence, and a strive to be the best you can be. As a patriot I strive to preserve those principales and strive to make the nation the best it can be. Being a patriot does not particularly mean supporting and submitting to your government and face can mean exactly the opposite. It can be a strive to reform and revive and revolt to change and or restore a nation to it's former glory.

Patriotism is needed or else the nation will become extinct after unity in one nation is achieved unity with other nations can be achieved as well.
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M.C. When I think of American and when I see the flag and hear the anthem to be honest our government is one of the last things that comes to mind. I think of freedom, liberty, valor, persistence, and a strive to be the best you can be. As a patriot I strive to preserve those principales and strive to make the nation the best it can be. Being a patriot does not particularly mean supporting and submitting to your government and face can mean exactly the opposite. It can be a strive to reform and revive and revolt to change and or restore a nation to it's former glory.

Patriotism is needed or else the nation will become extinct after unity in one nation is achieved unity with other nations can be achieved as well.
The freedom and liberty and valor and persistence and all this can be found in most major countries.

Which begs the question, why be so patriotic to a piece of land that isn't anymore special than all the other pieces of land, especially when that land is ruled by a government looking to bend you over every second of every day?

This idea of unity in one piece of rock is nonsensical in a modern world. I fully realize other countries are very united, and it's this mindset that will continue to plague our societies with millions of deaths from wars based around "omgggg you touched our rock! dieee!!".

American's are aiding in making this mentality fade away, it is risky no doubt, but change is needed and it's procrastination and saying "maybe someday it will change......" that has caused us to have these prolonged issues.
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:00 AM   #34 (permalink)
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just so you know, I don’t doubt evolution for one second. I do doubt everything I’ve ever been told about religion but, let me ask you this;

When, in the history of life on Earth, has Evolution ever favored the Gentle, kind, weak or soft?

I watched star trek as kid too and I thought how cool it will be when earth unites and evolves but, evolution might not look like that. It might look more like the Borg.

And now, I leave this thread

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:37 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Major respect to M.C for all the posts in this thread, I agree with every single thing you say here.


I live in Sweden and we do pretty well so far. It's a nice country to live in and so far I have yet to meet more than a small bunch really patriotic people here.

IMO all patriotism does is alienate other people and work in the wrong direction from what this earth needs.
All people are supposed to be equal and equally worth and that can't happen when people put too much weight in to where they live. I respect people just as much no matter where they come from, I really don't give a crap and I don't consider Sweden to be the best place on earth even though it is a nice country to live in.

To think that lack of patriotism will get your country invaded or taken over by a dictator, IMO just isn't reality. I bet most of the shittiest countries to live in contain a whole bunch of patriots, the two things just arn't related.
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AF, we're on the same page. I hate the level of dis-respect this countries own citizens give without even thinking about it.

America is an extremely unique country that has a rich past. Giving respect to the flag isn't just blindly praising the country. It's respecting what this country has accomplished and the lives that were lost to make this country what it is today.

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The freedom and liberty and valor and persistence and all this can be found in most major countries.

Which begs the question, why be so patriotic to a piece of land that isn't anymore special than all the other pieces of land, especially when that land is ruled by a government looking to bend you over every second of every day?


This idea of unity in one piece of rock is nonsensical in a modern world. I fully realize other countries are very united, and it's this mindset that will continue to plague our societies with millions of deaths from wars based around "omgggg you touched our rock! dieee!!".

American's are aiding in making this mentality fade away, it is risky no doubt, but change is needed and it's procrastination and saying "maybe someday it will change......" that has caused us to have these prolonged issues.
The bolded is just quite frankly wrong. America is unique in so many ways. The world as a whole is better because of our existence and what we've accomplished. I don't want to give a history lesson. But if your reasoning is that America isn't special because of things that have happened in the last 10 years than you really need to see the bigger picture.

I will never understand how quick people in our country are to knock down at every opportunity the very country that provides them the freedom to do so. The logic just doesn't click with me.
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AF, we're on the same page. I hate the level of dis-respect this countries own citizens give without even thinking about it.

America is an extremely unique country that has a rich past. Giving respect to the flag isn't just blindly praising the country. It's respecting what this country has accomplished and the lives that were lost to make this country what it is today.



The bolded is just quite frankly wrong. America is unique in so many ways. The world as a whole is better because of our existence and what we've accomplished. I don't want to give a history lesson. But if your reasoning is that America isn't special because of things that have happened in the last 10 years than you really need to see the bigger picture.

I will never understand how quick people in our country are to knock down at every opportunity the very country that provides them the freedom to do so. The logic just doesn't click with me.
The world as a whole is better because of America's existence is 100% opinion. I know people personally both in America and out that would tell you otherwise.

Freedom is also opinion. Do you know how many people would tell you straight out that Netherlands is the "freest" regulated place in the world? Do you know how many laws are in place that cut the freedom of people who live here and how many laws are being passed right now to do more damage to this "freedom"?

Did you know there's a law being processed right now and is going to be voted on this week, that has an extremely high potential to literally break the internet freedom and take away all the freedom of work that comes with it, while bringing down an entire business industry? Did you know the only reason why this law is being even considered is because big business industries (movie industry and music) used their lobbyists to bribe congress to get such a disgusting bill to be considered? Over a million American's have signed a petition to veto this bill, because of how disgustingly broken it, yet it's still being discussed and the odds are not good for the people. This is one law of many as equally disturbing and freedom breaking.

That's not to say America is all crap of course, nore is it to say that America is "worse" than other countries, as that's not the case at all, there are still some pretty cool things about this place (most of which, if not all, you can get in most other major countries) but still, it's not a "bad" place to live, it's just not worthy of all the respect some people seem to think it does.
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