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post #61 of 77 (permalink) Old 01-27-2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Atilak View Post
Props to you

I dont know anyone who has photoshop legally except people that need it for work and make a living by using it.

I will try to explain it what is wrong with piracy. I used photoshop as the best example I knew. Its price is very high and Im convinced that if all people will be forced to buy it (no piracy) price will go down very hard.
Me too, but that's the thing.. do you think people who are using it just to make a few avys/sigs will pay a hundred bucks for it? No. Perhaps if the price goes down, but you can't really guarantee that, can you? It all depends on the product demand, which isn't easy to predict if they somehow stop piracy.

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What is wrong with piracy is that you are just stealing. Someone make an effort, put energy in something and you get it for free. That is just wrong.

But its just human nature. We go the way with less resistence. Why I would buy it when I can have it for free. When you dont have that option you will have to adapt to the situation.
Well, by definition it's not exactly stealing, but I'm sure you've heard this a million times. I agree with what you said though.

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In fact that you are buying some stuff after you have it free just to give a money to author. That is kinda honest and rare. Anyway you will buy for a lot more things when you dont have other option.
I don't necessarily agree with the last sentence, because like I said, the only things I don't pay for are stuff I could easily live without.

P.s. Piracy or not, I'd have no problem paying for everything I use if I had a job. Except for TV shows, those are a bitch to see, if you're not from the States (if you want to see them as they come out).
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Originally Posted by Leed View Post

P.s. Piracy or not, I'd have no problem paying for everything I use if I had a job. Except for TV shows, those are a bitch to see, if you're not from the States (if you want to see them as they come out).
Its hard to see some TV shows at all outside USandA.
And they dubbing it ffs in my country all the time. I cant watch it with dubbing.

Only TV show better dubbed than original in my country are Simpsons. Althought it makes charakters very different. Marge in original sounds crazy and not very sympathic. In dubbing is character that bring peace to family just by its calm and mild voice. Must be strange for ppl that now original only

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One thing I hate about the music industry generally speaking is that if just doesnt give you very many options. I am 30 years old now, and I remember when I was a teenager. I live in Canada, not really close to any major cities. When I was a teenager all you really had were local radio and Muchmusic (similar to mtv in U.S.). Growing up if I wanted to listen to lets say, metal, rap, punk, electronic, etc music I really had no real way of getting it. Muchmusic did play some of that in 30min-1hr weekly shows like loud, but realistically it just wasnt that available. And now with conversions of muchmusic/mtv moving more towards reality tv shows over the years, I would say that it is worse now through conventional media. Where I live, radio has not changed in the past 15 years that much. There are country, rock and pop stations and thats about it.

Granted I dont like rap music for instance but I still believe that people should have a choice and they should be able to listen to what they want. This is one of the best things about the internet in my opinion. You can go to youtube, and you can listen to any type of music that you want, It doesnt matter where you live.

I tend to believe that the Internet is the greatest invention ever made but at the same time I also think its one of the worst.

When you look at issues like piracy and the UFC, I think the majority of people can agree that yeah its probably not right and can see how it is a form of stealing. One of the major problems though with the way I see with it, is you have people like Dana White who knows he sells 400k pay per views, and then he likely has some tech guys that tell him that maybe 500k people watched streams on the internet (I dont know what the numbers would be). So Dana takes those 500k people watching streams and thinks that he is losing 500k*$50 dollars. The reality of it is, at least in my opinion, that even if there was no internet streams, only 5-10% of people might of bought that stream in the first place, simply because the $50 cost is not worth it to them. Just because someone is watching it, doesnt mean they would buy it. Then you start to factor in that for the longest time, UFC has had no real tv deals and to this day, still really doesnt compare to many other professional sports. How many people would of got into the UFC, without the internet and streams in the first place? For alot of people I would guess that the internet gave them a more viable option and choice to get into the UFC than they would of otherwise had because similar to the music industry example I gave, UFC didnt start as a mainstream sport because they had no TV deals.

How many people actually buy PPV now because they started as fan watching from streams and the internet. I would tend to guess, that alot of people did. I really believe that the internet helped build the UFC to where it is today. But now that Dana has more of a solid base, he probably doesnt care about how he and his business got here. Obviously hes a business man and he wants to make as much money as he can but to think that this piracy is costing him millions of dollars I personally think its ridiculous, because piracy/streams is probably what made the company grow so fast in the first place.

I know for me personally at least in terms of the music industry, things such as Youtube have made me purchase more cds/itunes/etc than I would of ever bought. Because it gave me options and choices, and I found new music, I never would of never heard in the first place.

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Sorry, but I'm not paying £18-£20 (around $40) for one single blu ray film. It just isn't happening.

If the companies are so desperate to stop piracy, then pull a Valve. Make games and films cheaper and affordable, give us good deals. £20 for a single blu ray film is just ridiculous.
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Have you ever considered they are compensating for people stealing their shit?

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Have you ever considered they are compensating for people stealing their shit?
No, and as Liddell has already pointed out, this entire SOPA bill really has nothing to do with piracy of media.

Shame SOPA isn't ever going to pass, not for the forseeable future at least. The backlash would be enormous.
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Have you ever considered they are compensating for people stealing their shit?
Have you considered that they steal from you?

States settle CD price-fixing case
By David Lieberman, USA TODAY
NEW YORK ó The five largest music companies and three of the USA's largest music retailers agreed Monday to pay $67.4 million and distribute $75.7 million in CDs to public and non-profit groups to settle a lawsuit led by New York and Florida over alleged price-fixing in the late 1990s.

Attorneys general in the two states, who were joined in the lawsuit by 39 other states, said that the industry kept consumer CD prices artificially high between 1995 and 2000 with a practice known as "minimum-advertised pricing" (MAP).

The settlement will go to all 50 states, based on population. Consumers may be able to seek compensation.

Under MAP, the record companies subsidized ads by retailers in return for agreement by the stores to sell CDs at or above a certain price.

"This is a landmark settlement to address years of illegal price-fixing," New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said in a statement. "Our agreement will provide consumers with substantial refunds and result in the distribution of a wide variety of recordings for use in our schools and communities."

The companies, including Universal Music, Sony Music, Warner Music, Bertelsmann's BMG Music and EMI Group, plus retailers Musicland Stores, Trans World Entertainment and Tower Records, admitted no wrongdoing.

The companies have not practiced the pricing agreement since 2000. At that time, they agreed in settling a complaint by the Federal Trade Commission that they would refrain from MAP pricing for seven years.

Former FTC chairman Robert Pitofsky said at the time that consumers had been overcharged by $480 million since 1997 and that CD prices would soon drop by as much as $5 a CD as a result.

In settling the lawsuit, Universal BMG and Warner said they simply wanted to avoid court costs and defended the practice.

"We believe our policies were pro-competitive and geared toward keeping more retailers, large and small, in business," Universal said in a statement.

Previously, the companies said that MAP was needed to protect independent music retailers from rising competition from discount chains such as Wal-Mart, Circuit City and Best Buy. They had slashed CD prices, below cost in some cases, in the hope that once consumers were in their stores they would buy other, more expensive products.

The music companies said that MAP did not directly help them because it didn't affect wholesale prices. Retailers added that they needed support to keep prices up because their rents, particularly for stores in malls, were higher than the discount chains.

Lately, several record companies have cut prices on some CDs, particularly for new acts, to counter the continuing industry slump. Album sales are off nearly 11% this year compared with the same period in 2001, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
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Dana did go pretty overboard calling people terrorists! First guns now the internet? Way to alienate your customers!
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North Korea has no internet, their government has banned the whole use and idea of it. We're no North Korea, but to say "any" govermemt would fall short of stopping the internet is inaccurate. China shuts down the internet when necessary to prevent international reporting on whatever uprising they want to keep local, and Egypt just shut down their internet temporarily during the riots this summer. Governments > the internet, it's evidenced in the east and middle east quite often, just because we've not experienced it here doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Personally, I don't see the internet at its current form in terms of how we "currently" regulate it being stopped or slowed down, but it's not an impossibility in the future, imho.
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I am not sure the hacking was the wisest move. Not being familiar with the hacking culture it would seem to me that there would be people capable of tracking down those responsible and Dana can likely afford to hire those kinda people.

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