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Soojooko 02-18-2012 12:01 PM

Apple/Microsoft begin the first step of controlling our computing
 
http://www.osnews.com/story/25619/Ma...pps_by_default

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When Apple first unveiled the Mac App Store, many - including myself - were concerned what it would mean for the future of the general purpose computer. It felt like a first step towards losing control and ownership over our own computers, a dreaded future where everything we do on our machines is curated, tracked, and monitored by companies who want to squeeze ever more money from us, and governments who want to control us.

As time went on, and we learned more about the Mac App Store, it became clear what future Apple was working towards. When Apple announced that it was going to mandate sandboxing by March 2012, it became 100% clear what Mac OS X's future looked like.

"At this point in time, you can still easily install applications outside of the Mac App Store, but the fear (and, let's face it, the expectation) is that Apple will one day make this harder - only to make it impossible a little later," I wrote, "I'm pretty sure Mac OS X will get a switch first - off by default - to only allow App Store applications. In the release after that, the switch will be on by default. One release later still, and the switch is relegated to some obscure command line command."

When Microsoft announced plans to move in the same direction, the picture was complete. We're at step two now: Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion can only run Mac App Store or Apple-signed applications by default. There is a master switch to switch between App Store-only, App Store+signed, and unrestricted (the current behaviour). In addition, you can force-install an application even if it violates the master switch.

However, this is all temporary, something to smooth us over. In Mac OS X 10.9, the master switch and force-install will be ever harder to find or relegated to CLI commands - after which it is removed completely. Both Windows and Mac OS X will move towards a fully curated environment, in a nice, step-by-step manner to ease us into the idea of no longer having ownership of our machines.

As Lorelai Gilmore explains about how her dog is okay with being on a leash as long as the dog doesn't actually see the leash being put on him: "He's totally fine having his personal freedom slowly stripped away, as long as he's completely unaware that it's happening. Just like a true American."
This pretty much spells the end for casual piracy. Once implemented, you wont be able to use a standard windows/iOS PC to download anything that's not officially signed by MS/Apple. So, you'll have to use a hacked OS to access the naughty goods, but then you wont be able to log into the official app stores without risk. In the same way its currently impossible to log into Xbox Live if you are using a hacked Xbox without losing your account and being banned from Live. No hacker has managed to overcome this so far which pretty much shows how effective it is.

This wont stop piracy completely, but it will sure as hell stop it being so easy. Not to mention the inevitable heading towards losing all our liberties when using a computer.

We'll see where this ends up.

oldfan 02-18-2012 04:32 PM

Linux
 
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have always owned your computers. Iíve always been a little mystified that people are willing to let it be so.

You have let them define you as either compliant sheep providing them a lifetime income stream or criminal pirates stealing from them.

You donít have to be either. there have always been other options. Real freedom exists but it takes a little effort.

Itís easier to be sheep.

For anyone interested in being free there are probably 100 free versions of linux out there. the best supported that I know of are ubuntu, mint, and fedora.





own your computer

Soojooko 02-18-2012 06:35 PM

Linux is all very well and good... but when 95% of apps wont work on it, what choice do people have?

Eventually, everything will be remote access. You wont actually have a PC. Just a monitor, keyboard, mouse and an internet connection. Your apps/games will all be happening elsewhere and streamed to your PC. Its already happening with Windows Live. Right now, its being presented as a cool new feature. Soon enough, app developers will *only* release their shit on Live. There will be no disks or downloads. Just credit card subscriptions and pay-per-play.

The digital world is about to be put under lockdown.

Roflcopter 02-18-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Soojooko (Post 1552832)
http://www.osnews.com/story/25619/Ma...pps_by_default



This pretty much spells the end for casual piracy. Once implemented, you wont be able to use a standard windows/iOS PC to download anything that's not officially signed by MS/Apple. So, you'll have to use a hacked OS to access the naughty goods, but then you wont be able to log into the official app stores without risk. In the same way its currently impossible to log into Xbox Live if you are using a hacked Xbox without losing your account and being banned from Live. No hacker has managed to overcome this so far which pretty much shows how effective it is.

This wont stop piracy completely, but it will sure as hell stop it being so easy. Not to mention the inevitable heading towards losing all our liberties when using a computer.

We'll see where this ends up.


1: I haven't used the Apple App store in literally years, I pirate every app I get.

2: You can indeed log onto XBL with a hacked Xbox. People have been doing it for years.


Also, this will never go over. People will switch to Linux.

If Apple/PC seriously tried to limit your downloads to what they signed, that'd probably leave about 80 percent of products out there unable to download.....it'd infuriate the public...and the only people who would use it are very casual computer users that do nothing but browse and use stuff like Word and Powerpoint.

attention 02-18-2012 07:13 PM

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When Apple announced that it was going to mandate sandboxing by March 2012
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This IDIOT has no idea what sandboxing means!

It has NOTHING to do with Apple's control over 'you' the user...

Sandboxing restricts an application ... fencing in the application within its bounds, so that it doesnt **** with everyting else on your machine, unless you decide to LET IT DO SO.

Sandboxing has nothing to do with Apple specifically, its been used by Java based apps since the dawn of time.

Sandboxing is a good thing for ALL USERS, apple or not.

oldfan 02-18-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Soojooko (Post 1552912)
Linux is all very well and good... but when 95% of apps wont work on it, what choice do people have?

What apps do you speak of? The ones you either buy or steal?..... .... ... :)

100% of linux apps work and they are all FREE.

Soojooko 02-19-2012 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Roflcopter (Post 1552917)
1: I haven't used the Apple App store in literally years, I pirate every app I get.

2: You can indeed log onto XBL with a hacked Xbox. People have been doing it for years.


Also, this will never go over. People will switch to Linux.

If Apple/PC seriously tried to limit your downloads to what they signed, that'd probably leave about 80 percent of products out there unable to download.....it'd infuriate the public...and the only people who would use it are very casual computer users that do nothing but browse and use stuff like Word and Powerpoint.

Infuriate the public? I dont think so. The people who buy their apps will *prefer* the new system. The only people it will infuriate are people who pirate software.

And you cant log onto live using a hacked xbox. You have to disable the mod first. Can you really see the majority of PC users having hacked PC's and having to remember to disable the hacks every time they go online?

Remote access is growing and once its become the standard way to run apps and games, how will the pirates cope with that? Do you really think the majority of PC users will own custom PC's full of hardware? Where will they buy the hardware from? If 80% of the world is using remote access, do you realize how difficult its going to become to buy your own graphics cars, harddrives, disk drives, motherboards.etc.?


We could argue this shit all day, but you know what... I wont. I know exactly where this is heading and within 5 years I'll be proved right.


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Originally Posted by attention (Post 1552921)
This IDIOT has no idea what sandboxing means!

It has NOTHING to do with Apple's control over 'you' the user...

Sandboxing restricts an application ... fencing in the application within its bounds, so that it doesnt **** with everyting else on your machine, unless you decide to LET IT DO SO.

Sandboxing has nothing to do with Apple specifically, its been used by Java based apps since the dawn of time.

Sandboxing is a good thing for ALL USERS, apple or not.

Controlling where you can download apps from means everything regards user control. We are talking about not being able to get anything unless is downloaded via your OS using offical app/games stores. Apple and Microsoft have been setting this shit up for years. Its been free to make and release software on Windows or OSX for years. I should know. Ive been making games for 16 years! Now that we are all dependant, Apple/MS want their cut of *everything* that runs on their OS. 30% of EVERYTHING.


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Originally Posted by oldfan (Post 1552925)
What apps do you speak of? The ones you either buy or steal?..... .... ... :)

100% of linux apps work and they are all FREE.

All the processional art and sound packages we use as a company dont work under linux without using some custom hacks/software. Adobe & Autodesk in particular don't support their software running on Linux and likely never will. For example, we got 3DS MAX running on Linux, but effectively lost all support from Autodesk because of it. Make no mistake, the big software developers *want* what Apple/Microsoft are trying to impose. Do you think the media world are going to dump Photoshop and move onto something like GIMP? Not a chance.

Hammerlock2.0 02-19-2012 07:38 AM

The solution: install Linux to download a pirated version of Windows and run both operating system on the same machine.

The solution #2: use Win95 and play Worms.

Soojooko 02-19-2012 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammerlock2.0 (Post 1553018)
The solution: install Linux to download a pirated version of Windows and run both operating system on the same machine.

The solution #2: use Win95 and play Worms.

You wont have a machine, dude. They will. You wont have a hard drive to put shit on. It'll all be remote. Eventually, people with their own PC's will end up using prehistoric software, just like Worms, or be forced into the new age of control and doom.

Hammerlock2.0 02-19-2012 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Soojooko (Post 1553019)
You wont have a machine, dude. They will. You wont have a hard drive to put shit on. It'll all be remote. Eventually, people with their own PC's will end up using prehistoric software, just like Worms, or be forced into the new age of control and doom.

Then I'll just build my own machine with old USB sticks and pieces of my gameboy classic. :thumb02:


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