[xbrokenshieldx]

Originally Posted by sicc

Dude, guns will NEVER go away. If you outlaw them, only the criminals will have them. Don't think they will be able to get them? They will get them just like they get bricks of heroin and cocaine form the Mexican boarder.

Guns are not the issue here, society rotting from the inside out are the issue IMO.

ill agree with you. the real problem is society turning into a crap hole.

howewver studies have shown that a large portion of guns criminals use are stolen from houses of people who buy them legally.

plus if our govt makes it harder for people to buy guns, it will be harder for criminals to get guns and therefore the price of guns from people who do deal them will go up which in turn will make it harder to get guns. but i agree that people do kill people. guns just make it easier

[pt447]

i wasn't going to say anything... but i had a feeling this would all end up anti-islam and what not...

now bush can support his NRA by showing how an evil muslim took advantage of american's sacred right to own guns...


and i'm not anti gun, by the way...

[xbrokenshieldx]

Originally Posted by pt447

i wasn't going to say anything... but i had a feeling this would all end up anti-islam and what not...

now bush can support his NRA by showing how an evil muslim took advantage of american's sacred right to own guns...


and i'm not anti gun, by the way...

that is kinda wat i was trying to say. i wasnt trying to make it a gun control debate. i was just saying that bush will turn this into a whole terrorism problem and turn it away from other issues

[pt447]

Originally Posted by xbrokenshieldx

that is kinda wat i was trying to say. i wasnt trying to make it a gun control debate. i was just saying that bush will turn this into a whole terrorism problem and turn it away from other issues

no, i agree with you totally.

[Uchi]

Originally Posted by xbrokenshieldx

that is kinda wat i was trying to say. i wasnt trying to make it a gun control debate. i was just saying that bush will turn this into a whole terrorism problem and turn it away from other issues

Soon, we'll hear people saying Bush planned it.

[panthony]

I haven't found anything that was credible about terrorists ties, I read the media assumed he was Pakistani because VT campus has a large Muslim Pakistani community, and the gumman was South Korean antisocial and depressed

But I'm for banning assualt weapons

[Josh3239]

Originally Posted by xbrokenshieldx

plus if our govt makes it harder for people to buy guns, it will be harder for criminals to get guns

Not in the slightest. They'll just go somewhere else. Whether its a gun runner, or another country, or make one. They are not that hard to build, if you really wanted to build one. There was some article about kids in Pakastan making machine guns in there workshop.

Originally Posted by Kodanshi

And this suddenly turns it into a totally anti–Islamic thing now, as opposed to one against a country with relatively easy access to guns and a triggerhappy mindset that even kids ascribe to (eg Columbine shootings)? I wondered how long before they found a scapegoat instead of tackling the very real issues at hand.

Realatively easy access? What is your experience with buying guns in America? Mine is purchasing 6 guns and I probably have a better idea of the "easy access to guns". I play "triggerhappy" games, does that make me a potential murderer? Nope. As far as Columbine and the Virginia Tech shootings go, do you think if a student or a teacher on the campus had a CCW this could have been stopped early? Probably. Isn't it funny how shootings always happen in gun free zones? I suppose the criminal realizes he won't get hurt on the job. Huh? Even in Japan where they completely illegalized firearms, a government official (I think a mayor) was shot. Oh its ok, its a gun free zone.

[xbrokenshieldx]

Originally Posted by Josh3239

Not in the slightest. They'll just go somewhere else. Whether its a gun runner, or another country, or make one. They are not that hard to build, if you really wanted to build one. There was some article about kids in Pakastan making machine guns in there workshop.



Realatively easy access? What is your experience with buying guns in America? Mine is purchasing 6 guns and I probably have a better idea of the "easy access to guns". I play "triggerhappy" games, does that make me a potential murderer? Nope. As far as Columbine and the Virginia Tech shootings go, do you think if a student or a teacher on the campus had a CCW this could have been stopped early? Probably. Isn't it funny how shootings always happen in gun free zones? I suppose the criminal realizes he won't get hurt on the job. Huh? Even in Japan where they completely illegalized firearms, a government official (I think a mayor) was shot. Oh its ok, its a gun free zone.

actually numerous studies have shown that stricter gun laws do make it harder for people to get guns. Think about if its drugs.. if the police decide to crack down a certain drug, say crack, then the purchase of the drug becomes more difficult to do. therefore the dealers are taking more risk in dealing the crack and in turn want more money for their product. the same thing happens with firearms. A large majority of violent crime and crime in general is done by those who are below poverty line, by people who may not be able to afford guns if the prices did go up.

however the real problem lies with people carrying guns not people owning guns. i think what we need is harsher punishment for those who are caught with guns on them and even confiscating the guns. stricter regulations on who is allowed to buy hand guns may help as well. I am not too concerned about the hunting rifle that you have in your closet as much as the hand gun in someones pants.

[xbrokenshieldx]

and for the record i think when he says easy access he isnt just talking about buying guns legally. i grew up in an urban area where some of my friends got involved in dealing and etc. it literally took them less than 24 hours to get a gun in some cases

[Josh3239]

I still reject it. For example, if you are a felon you cannot legally own a gun, possess a gun (that includes any type of touching), buy a gun, sell a gun, hunt, etc, etc. Yet the problem with most violent crime is repeat offenders. How did mobsters continue to get guns despite they couldn't legally own guns? How do gang members in East LA get guns where they have felonys by the time they aren't even old enough to own a gun? As far as Prohibition goes. Prohibition on alcohol was a real success.. NOT, Prohibition on marijuana has been a real success.. NOT. If people want something bad enough they'll get it. If people want to do something bad enought, they'll do it.

What stricter regulations? Age limit, background check, criminals cannot own guns, must take a safety course, own a permit, etc? Of course it varies by state, but like (I think you) you said - the problem is criminal stealing guns. Then what good does stricter regulations do?