[Keithpas]

Originally Posted by pt447

the problem is not in the people, its in religion. look, you'll never get rid of "evil" or insanity in humanity... but if you remove the one venue which plays specifically to human fears and terrors... you'll be that much closer to being able to control those situations that could get out of hand. how exactley do you fight a concept? these people are teaching something, which they truly believe. true, its a tainted version, but the point is, they live their life fully believing in what they are taught... how do you fight an ideal? you can't. but, if you don't have religion shaping people's lives, fears, and beliefs, it wouldn't be as easy to get people to do things in the name of something else.

last time i checked, palientologists arent' getting people to kill each other to collect dino DNA...

So this is going to turn into a "religion is evil" post? Can you tell me why godless governments like the Red Chinese (who massacred millions) and The Soviets (who murdered millions) did what they did? It sure as hell had nothing to do with religion. Every chance you get you spout hatred for religion but I don;t see anyone trying to convert you. If you are saying that the Muslims were the original religion of Western Europe during the Crusades then you need to check your junior high history. You have your prejudices to back you up and alot of hot air and nothing else.

[Keithpas]

Originally Posted by pt447

and isn't the mission of christians to open the eyes of all those who haven't yet accepted jesus as their personal savior?

look, the point is, what is being "taught" to little kids, isn't true islam... its tainted by hate. of course, that is why religion is horrible, its so easily corrupted by the powerful and insane to manipulate the already pacified and dangeriously trusting faithful... but hey...

So were you tainted by the teaching of Marx? Maybe MaoTseTung, maybe Stalin? Maybe Madeline Murray OHare, Yes, she must be your hero. She bilked her pacified and dangerously trusting faithful athiest flocks out of millions just like a huckster televangelist. Then she was murdered along with other members of her family, dismembered and buried in a desert by a con-man associated with her athiest flock.

[pt447]

Originally Posted by Keithpas

So this is going to turn into a "religion is evil" post? Can you tell me why godless governments like the Red Chinese (who massacred millions) and The Soviets (who murdered millions) did what they did? It sure as hell had nothing to do with religion. Every chance you get you spout hatred for religion but I don;t see anyone trying to convert you. If you are saying that the Muslims were the original religion of Western Europe during the Crusades then you need to check your junior high history. You have your prejudices to back you up and alot of hot air and nothing else.

uh, when did i say muslims where the original religion? i studied religious history, i know what the hell really went down, and why... i've studied religion, through clear eyes, not ones jaded by prior belief.

[pt447]

Originally Posted by Keithpas

So were you tainted by the teaching of Marx? Maybe MaoTseTung, maybe Stalin? Maybe Madeline Murray OHare, Yes, she must be your hero. She bilked her pacified and dangerously trusting faithful athiest flocks out of millions just like a huckster televangelist. Then she was murdered along with other members of her family, dismembered and buried in a desert by a con-man associated with her athiest flock.

and you're saying that what? there are crazy guys that don't need religion? yeah... but religion has the power to control the masses moreso than any other venue ever in history.

"religion is the opium of the masses" who said that?