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Old 12-22-2012, 09:59 AM   #31 (permalink)
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, he literally walked off the street and into the finals.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Shamrock immediately grabs a hold of Rich's leg and takes him down..people should actually watch fights.
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People bring up this fight all the time but shamrock but being that there was no real damage after this(Ken didn't get koed till next round I think) and Ken is known for flying heel hooks I think it was a heel hook attempt
I've never seen a heel hook attempt where an individual actually just flops to the ground...there was literally no technique used in the .gif I posted, it looks like he flat out flopped and his arm happened to be where Rich's lead leg was. I mean it's possible you're correct, but I'm still skeptical...it wouldn't shock me if Shamrock took a little extra on the side(not from Rich or his camp, Franklin seems as legit as they come)...and this fight ended in the 1st round, about 1:30 after this.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:20 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Looked like dive to me.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:39 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I've never seen a heel hook attempt where an individual actually just flops to the ground...there was literally no technique used in the .gif I posted, it looks like he flat out flopped and his arm happened to be where Rich's lead leg was. I mean it's possible you're correct, but I'm still skeptical...it wouldn't shock me if Shamrock took a little extra on the side(not from Rich or his camp, Franklin seems as legit as they come)...and this fight ended in the 1st round, about 1:30 after this.
I could get on board with this but the copelling factor is that rich did no damage after this and didn't the fight till the next round therefore even if he did act like he was hurt by that punch it resulted in nothing to effect the outcome of the fight.
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:35 PM   #35 (permalink)
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There were a lot of fixed fights in PRIDE, and many fighters/back stage people openly admit it, including Coleman, Bas, there's another guy too but I can't remember.

Honestly I don't 100% count out some UFC fights being fixed, not neccessarily by Dana but by the fighters/managers. I don't have any examples, just saying I don't completely rule it out, this is a sport that's all about the $$$ after all.
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Herr derr. once again. you should actually watch fights brah.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:11 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I could get on board with this but the copelling factor is that rich did no damage after this and didn't the fight till the next round therefore even if he did act like he was hurt by that punch it resulted in nothing to effect the outcome of the fight.
Again...this fight ended in the first.

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Herr derr. once again. you should actually watch fights brah.
Yeah brah, he made it look like he was attempting something, you know...can't make it that obvious...except for 2 minutes later when Shamrock "slips" trying that head kick and literally just watched Rich climb on top and start pounding his face. He absolutely made no effort to stop him from doing this. But you're obviously all knowing and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong...man, I wish I could win the internet too.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:26 PM   #39 (permalink)
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There were a lot of fixed fights in PRIDE, and many fighters/back stage people openly admit it, including Coleman, Bas, there's another guy too but I can't remember.

Honestly I don't 100% count out some UFC fights being fixed, not neccessarily by Dana but by the fighters/managers. I don't have any examples, just saying I don't completely rule it out, this is a sport that's all about the $$$ after all.
I remember Eddie Bravo saying he was offered a fixed fight in Pride back in the day.
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I remember Eddie Bravo saying he was offered a fixed fight in Pride back in the day.
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