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Old 04-16-2007, 05:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Randy has never faced anyone like Crocop, except maybe Chuck and really CC is a much better overall striker than the Iceman.

To say Mirko is overrated is ridiculous though. His only losses are to Fedor, Mark Hunt, Big Nog and Kevin Randleman.

He's beaten Wanderlei Silva, Josh Barnett 3x, Aleksander Emelianenko, etc..

He's definitely not overrated, he deserves all the credit he gets.

Amazing sprawl and ridiculous striking, he's entertaining with every fight.
Im sorry, but I just love how his 8 loses in K1 dont count. Everyone wants to always say how great a kickboxer he is then throw away his kickboxing record. 17-8 by the way... hmmmm hardly seems like the dominating kickboxer everyone claims he is. And yes, I think he's a tad overrated. Is he a punk? Hardly. He will be a true force in the HW division, but again, I'm sorry, But Randy Couture will beat him! He might come back like chuck, but the first fight will be all Randy.
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
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wow... more UFC based fan ignorance. if you doubt CC's ability to win in the MMA ring, you haven't watched him very much. First off, if you call him "this CC guy", you certianly have never watched his career. But one thing i really hate is people who say, "what type of MMA fighter is he really if he's just a KO guy"? well, if he fights in MMA fights, and wins, then he's a succesful MMA fighter. And CC is certainly a succesful MMA fighter. end of story...

and as for "more than", he shut down the guy who invented the takedown, Mark Coleman. And he's proven in every fight that his defense against so much secures him as a succesful MMA fighter!
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I think he is a good fighter but I don't think he's gonna walk through everyone in the UFC like Pride fans think. I understand fans supporting their organization but get real. He is defeatable. Let me rephrase that. EVERYONE is defeatable. I think Randy stands a very good chance against him and I like both fighters so I'm excited to see them fight if he get's past Gonzaga. No matter who it is, there's always someone better. Especially in MMA when styles differ so much. Nobody is perfect in every fighting style.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:23 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:33 AM   #25 (permalink)
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It's been well documented on this forum that in my opinion Ken Shamrock is the most overrated fighter of all time.. but what is it about this Cro Cop guy that makes him so great?

Sure he has pretty good KO power.. but there's more to MMA then how hard you can kick someone in the head. I'v studied tapes of his fights from Pride over the years and there's no way he's gonna be able to dominate the superior fighters of the UFC the way he did in Japan. His ground game is terrible, and from what i'v seen he has a terrible chin too. Even the first fighter he fought in the UFC said his kicks didnt hurt as bad as they make them out to be.. i guaruntee you he wouldnt be able to last a round if he got thrown into the octagon with Chuck. If he fights Randy, he'll get submitted in 2 rounds. You can quote me on that too.

I like how you haven't responded to anyone of the replies to your thread, I'm guessing because you've realized how much of an idiot you are because no one agrees with you. You make terrible posts and terrible threads (like this one) and I wish you would never speak your opinion again. I don't even have to say anything about your Mirko claims because they're to retarded for me to fathom.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:42 AM   #26 (permalink)
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It's been well documented on this forum that in my opinion Ken Shamrock is the most overrated fighter of all time.. but what is it about this Cro Cop guy that makes him so great?

Sure he has pretty good KO power.. but there's more to MMA then how hard you can kick someone in the head. I'v studied tapes of his fights from Pride over the years and there's no way he's gonna be able to dominate the superior fighters of the UFC the way he did in Japan. His ground game is terrible, and from what i'v seen he has a terrible chin too. Even the first fighter he fought in the UFC said his kicks didnt hurt as bad as they make them out to be.. i guaruntee you he wouldnt be able to last a round if he got thrown into the octagon with Chuck. If he fights Randy, he'll get submitted in 2 rounds. You can quote me on that too.
Cro Cop was injured, while on sedatives, and he had jet lag. Of course his kicks werent as hard as normal that night

You're also a troll, gtfo.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:39 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Im sorry, but I just love how his 8 loses in K1 dont count.
They obviously don't count as MMA losses. Are you actually suggesting otherwise?
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Old 04-16-2007, 11:02 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think its funny how he calls Cro Cop incomplete and then talks about how good Chuck is when they both have the same type of game. Only CC has much better standup, better takedown defense, and better JJ. Im sorry Simon but you have no idea what your talking about on this topic.

And anyone who thinks Randy will beat Mirko Im excepting sig bet right now.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:06 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I think its funny how he calls Cro Cop incomplete and then talks about how good Chuck is when they both have the same type of game. Only CC has much better standup, better takedown defense, and better JJ. Im sorry Simon but you have no idea what your talking about on this topic.

And anyone who thinks Randy will beat Mirko Im excepting sig bet right now.

Chuck has a better sprawl and ground game, but I think Mirko is a much more polished and dangerous (due to his kicks) striker than Chuck. Other than that your post is spot on.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:12 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I think Randy vs CC would be a very good matchup. Both have excellent endurance so it wouldn't be a boring fight due to the fighters getting gassed (provided there's no early KO or submission).

Also Chuck vs CC would be a great matchup. Who's got the harder punch/kick or chin?

Really looking forward to these fights !
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