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Old 04-16-2007, 03:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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most overrated fighter in mma ? no , overrated, yes
fully agree, the ufc is has a few fighters that a really overrated so I cant say that cro cop is the most but he is ranked up there with the most
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:38 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Old 04-16-2007, 04:01 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Im sorry, but I just love how his 8 loses in K1 dont count. Everyone wants to always say how great a kickboxer he is then throw away his kickboxing record. 17-8 by the way... hmmmm hardly seems like the dominating kickboxer everyone claims he is. And yes, I think he's a tad overrated. Is he a punk? Hardly. He will be a true force in the HW division, but again, I'm sorry, But Randy Couture will beat him! He might come back like chuck, but the first fight will be all Randy.

No offence bro but thats contridicting coming from a big Randy Couture fan. Randy has 8 losses on his MMA record and he is considered one of the best MMA fighters in the world, is he not? So whats the difference if Cro Cop has 8 losses on his kickboxing record?

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Old 04-16-2007, 04:05 PM   #44 (permalink)
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It's been well documented on this forum that in my opinion Ken Shamrock is the most overrated fighter of all time.. but what is it about this Cro Cop guy that makes him so great?

Sure he has pretty good KO power.. but there's more to MMA then how hard you can kick someone in the head. I'v studied tapes of his fights from Pride over the years and there's no way he's gonna be able to dominate the superior fighters of the UFC the way he did in Japan. His ground game is terrible, and from what i'v seen he has a terrible chin too. Even the first fighter he fought in the UFC said his kicks didnt hurt as bad as they make them out to be.. i guaruntee you he wouldnt be able to last a round if he got thrown into the octagon with Chuck. If he fights Randy, he'll get submitted in 2 rounds. You can quote me on that too.
Yeah, the way Cro Cop was chasing him all over the octagon really suggests those kicks didn't hurt THAT much...

I'll quote you on both Chuck and Couture. Sig bet?
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Old 04-16-2007, 04:38 PM   #45 (permalink)
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i want a big cro cop fan and first but now since becoming a bigger mma fan i have noticed how good he really is
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Old 04-16-2007, 04:56 PM   #47 (permalink)
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CC *IS* an all-round fighter.

His strength is his striking, his ground game is strong... he does not have clear weaknesses... his striking is just his forte.

You dont hang with Fedor to a decision unless you are strong in BOTH.

To think that CC is average is to discredit Fedor...which is just ridiculous.

Could Chuck or Randy go to a decision with Fedor... I dont think so.
besides my personal fedor and cro cop biases........he does have clear weakness....the first being lazy at times i.e. dropping hands........as for his ground game it is average at best.....now i will admit that he HAS improved iver the years abd i think it would be wrong to say he is a complete all round fighter......but in saying this his take down defence is very very goood......and for randy to stand a chance hes gonna have to do the oppisite of wut Cro Cop is expecting....i think the real fight will be when fedor vs cro cop rematch........after cro cop gains the ufc heavy weight title of course....as for the chuck and randy statement near the end.....besides the different weight class between chuck and fedor.....also for to think that any fighter has no chance ie randy is just plain wrong.......who would have thought that hed beat tim.......but then again tim is/was/will always be a shit fighter......cro cop vs fedor 2008
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besides my personal fedor and cro cop biases........he does have clear weakness....the first being lazy at times i.e. dropping hands........as for his ground game it is average at best.....now i will admit that he HAS improved iver the years abd i think it would be wrong to say he is a complete all round fighter......but in saying this his take down defence is very very goood......and for randy to stand a chance hes gonna have to do the oppisite of wut Cro Cop is expecting....i think the real fight will be when fedor vs cro cop rematch........after cro cop gains the ufc heavy weight title of course....as for the chuck and randy statement near the end.....besides the different weight class between chuck and fedor.....also for to think that any fighter has no chance ie randy is just plain wrong.......who would have thought that hed beat tim.......but then again tim is/was/will always be a shit fighter......cro cop vs fedor 2008
we obviously agree on the major issues...
and really, the small difference we share are exactly that... just minor differences...

I made the last statement because everyone seems to think Chuck can throw with CC... but if that is the case, then they must think Chuck can throw with Fedor... and that is *definitely* not the case... especially, like you and I agree, since they are in different weight classes.

I think CC is as 'all-round' as you can get...
He cant be a specialist in *everything*... I dont think any mma fighter can...
You specialize in one respect and get good enuf to shut-down any attempts to change your winning game plan... ie. Hughes, Chuck

I think this is where CC sits in the grand scheme of things... he's the best striker in his weightclass and can shutdown attempts to change his gameplan.

BTW... I agree with you, I dont count Randy out... I didnt before the Tim bout and I dont now... I think Randy DOES stand a chance with CC... but he is the definite underdog.

... and with the way things have been going lately, who knows
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:14 PM   #49 (permalink)
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He is not everything that the UFC is pumping him up to be but saying he is the most over rated is going to far. I know im gunna hear a lot of stuff for this one but IMO Dirty Sanchez is the most over rated.
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