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Old 04-17-2007, 12:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Just for your information idiot(I am sure that someone already pointed it out), OLYMPIC WRESTLERS DON'T DO SUBMISSIONS!

Any fighter, eh? How about Fedor, Cro Cop, Hunt, Chuck, Shogun, Rampage, Barnett, Anybody that knows how to sprawl and strike, Brock Lesnar(haha). Yeah there are a lot of people...
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #42 (permalink)
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who's kurt angle?
A pro wrestler (WWE/TNA) who won a gold medal in the 1996 Olympics in wrestling. Never been in a MMA match, only scripted wrestling match on TV and he says he could beat Chuck and Randy after 6 months training. Oh yeah also his body is a wreck.

I hate the term pro wrestler,
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A pro wrestler (WWE/TNA) who won a gold medal in the 1996 Olympics in wrestling. Never been in a MMA match, only scripted wrestling match on TV and he says he could beat Chuck and Randy after 6 months training. Oh yeah also his body is a wreck.

I hate the term pro wrestler,
I was hoping my last post would end this thread.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:17 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Wrestling is not fighting, simply put. Not every olympic wrestler is automatically a great fighter. Maybe if he worked his butt off on his striking and jiu-jitsu. He is not different than any other guy who is great at wrestling. Matt Lindland, Randy, Dan Henderson. He would have to try and become well rounded because that is MMA. This is not 1993 and you cannot simply take down a striker who has never wrestled before and finish them on the ground where they are defenseless. Wrestling is a great base for fighting, maybe the best base, but it is NOT fighting
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:25 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Unfortunately for all of us, Simon Phoenix can't be banned for saying stupid things.

If Kurt was in his prime, not extensively injured, and had any submission training whatsoever I might be willing to agree with you. But last I checked, none of that is true.
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"professional wrestling" in any company is gay

angle is a sell out

not mention would get knocked the **** out
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:57 PM   #47 (permalink)
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This is great, everyone is coming up with some really great points but something to consider: WWE wrestlers are there for entertainment purposes. Their training consists of practicing choreographed fights and lifting weights. They are insanely winded after a couple minutes of throwing each other over their shoulders, which is something they help each other do. Whether they were an Olympic wrestler at some point in their career does NOT mean they have the proper training to step in a cage for 15 minutes of hell. There is no doubt these wrestlers take more punishment to their bodies than MMA fighters do. But they also donít know what it feels like when someone throws a overhand right straight to your chin followed by a quick left hook. Or when you feel like your elbow or knee is in a vice from an armbar or leglock. In the end, if wrestling is all they have, they may be able to win one or two fights in the cage, but would never become a successful fighter or win on a consistant basis.

That video of kurt angle wrestling was pretty weak because we all know in MMA, the fight would not have ended there. He knows how to put someone on their backs, but then again, he would have no idea what to do once someone wraps their legs around his big dome. Matt hughes is a great example of a fine tuned wrestler, but has no idea what to do when he is on his back even after 30-40 fights.

Kurt Angle - great wrestler, has potential to do well in MMA, needs about 3 more years of MMA training (I heard he has been training for a year or two now).

Any idea how much Kurt weighs and who he would be up against if he did enter the octagon?
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The biggest loss the UFC's ever taken was losing Kurt Angle to TNA. Given his gold medal winning wrestling background i highly doubt there's anyone in MMA who would be able to survive his world class submissions assuming they don't hit him with a lucky punch.

Think of it this way.. the olympics is the highest level of wrestling there is. If he claimed gold medal as the best in the world in a real wrestling division, imagine how easily he'd be able to handle the fighters of the UFC if he could take them to the ground.

I'd pay serious money to see Randy Couture or Chuck Liddell try to wrestle him in the Octagon. I think he would put on a clinic.. who's with me?
actually im fairly certain the olympics arnt the highest level....its just the most visible..pro wrestling is. also there are other olympic medalists who competed in the ufc (matt lindland) and they arnt dominating with the wrath of god or anything. couture tried to make the olympic team a bunch of times, he was an alternate a couple times. also being a good wrestler is far from being a good fighter...wrestle me all you want, ill be busy punching you in the face. he has no aplication for his wrestling. unless he learned something else. also he gets hurt like every other day. i dont think he would do that well.
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They are insanely winded after a couple minutes of throwing each other over their shoulders, which is something they help each other do.
The average pro-wrestler is in tremendous shape all around. They don't get 'insanely winded,' although it often looks that way (they are staging a drama, after all. Rocky gets 'insanely winded,' too). Just watch an iron man match; they keep going and going and going...

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That video of kurt angle wrestling was pretty weak because we all know in MMA, the fight would not have ended there.
The video was used to 'prove' Angle's vulnerability in MMA, not his ability. The refs had to rush a 3 count to save Angle from having his shoulder ripped out (he wouldn't have tapped). That video doesn't prove anything either way, though, because Angle was in character, performing, whereas Puder (as he admitted afterwards) was trying to prove a point. One was doing their job as a professional wrestler, the other was trying to get attention to start an MMA career. It really wasn't fair for Angle to be put in that position by McMahon, and it was one of the stupidest mistakes WWE has ever made. If Angle had been beaten/injured by a Tough Enough contestant (so that's where UFC got the idea for TUF... ), it would have seriously hurt his credibility as a performer.

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Kurt Angle - great wrestler, has potential to do well in MMA, needs about 3 more years of MMA training (I heard he has been training for a year or two now).
Personally, I think it's way too late for Angle, although, his body may benefit from an MMA schedule. His body is in terrible shape, from all that 'acting.'

People are so proud of knowing wrestling is 'fake,' but they have no idea how hard it is for these 'actors.' Lesnar backed out of a multi-million $ contract because he couldn't handle the travel schedule and the affect the matches were having on his body, so he turned to pro-football. Now, he's trying MMA, and I think he'll find success there, as long as he can add what's missing to his arsenal as an MMA fighter.

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He's weighed between 220 and 240 lbs. I imagine he'd fight at heavyweight, but I think he could easily make light-heavyweight. I think Ken Shamrock would be a good opponent for him. He's at the twilight of his MMA career, he has history with the WWE, and Angle 'stole' his finishing move. It's a promoter's dream match.

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Kurt Angle is praying that since Zuffa bought PRIDE and all the rule changes are going on that they're going to add pins and 3-counts to MMA...cause if they don't he won't know how to win.
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