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Old 04-17-2013, 05:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't see what a "street fight" has anything to do with it? Do they have knives? Guns?

I mean if a guy gets hip tossed and into an armbar, where Ronda then breaks your arm....what else are you going to do because it is a "street fight"? Pinch her thigh?
Agreed, in the limited amount of BJJ I've done, most of the self defense we learn is how to break peoples arms. Also; how to do it without them biting you in the calf...
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't see what a "street fight" has anything to do with it? Do they have knives? Guns?

I mean if a guy gets hip tossed and into an armbar, where Ronda then breaks your arm....what else are you going to do because it is a "street fight"? Pinch her thigh?
Hair pulling, biting, fingers to the eyes, headbutts. Then you have whatever elements are around you that could restrict movement depending on where exactly the fight took place. Even just the middle of the street is a unique factor. I wonder how Ronda would react if she got her nose broke with a headbutt while performing an armbar? Street fights are just sloppy in general. Even when trained fighters go at it, it's usually pretty sloppy.
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Just with pure strength if a strong man picks Ronda up during and armbar he could potentially smash her into the ground or a hard surface.

Like I said the trained fighter still has the advantage but the more controlled the environment the more advantage they have because it would just come down to skill.
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Well obviously. She trains to fight for a living and is just a little under the same size as your average dude. Now if you tell me the guy's 6'3 and weighs 210 lbs of muscle, I'll pick him every day of the week.
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I'd take my chances against like... an atomweight woman.... But that's about it, anyone who can become a professional fighter has pretty much proven they are tough as hell.
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Regina Halmich (~110lbs) vs Stefan Raab [190lbs+), a German TV host who regularly wins physical/athletic challenges against random people from his audience. In that fight, she broke his nose. And that was a boxing match with fluffy gloves. Now imagine a WMMA whose strikes are not cushioned with big gloves and who knows how to grapple.

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I mean if a guy gets hip tossed and into an armbar, where Ronda then breaks your arm....what else are you going to do because it is a "street fight"? Pinch her thigh?
When Rousey hip tosses someone on the street she probably doesn't need to armbar him anymore, because it's quite likely that he gets KOed when hitting the concrete which makes a HUGE difference than falling on a suspended cage/ring floor.
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Yeah to be extra clear most guys would get hip tossed instantly, myself included.
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Hair pulling, biting, fingers to the eyes, headbutts. Then you have whatever elements are around you that could restrict movement depending on where exactly the fight took place. Even just the middle of the street is a unique factor. I wonder how Ronda would react if she got her nose broke with a headbutt while performing an armbar? Street fights are just sloppy in general. Even when trained fighters go at it, it's usually pretty sloppy.
The fact that anything goes doesn't give the untrained individual an advantage. In fact any additional tools gives the person with more training the advantage. Concrete floor? Good thing I know how to get a double leg and slam. Also I know how to defend takedowns so it's entirely to my benefit. Headbutt while performing an armbar? Pretty sure the thigh restricts that. And for the most part. biting and hair pulling ain't gonna do much when adrenaline is pumping.

The only advantage for the untrained combatant would be a weapon.

Edit: I think Rousey would beat most men who are untrained and a decent percentage of men with less than 1 years training. and probably little to no men with a decent all around game.

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Yeah to be extra clear most guys would get hip tossed instantly, myself included.
Watching people who get hip tossed (even lightly) and don't know how to break fall is just painful.
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The fact that anything goes doesn't give the untrained individual an advantage. In fact any additional tools gives the person with more training the advantage. Concrete floor? Good thing I know how to get a double leg and slam. Also I know how to defend takedowns so it's entirely to my benefit. Headbutt while performing an armbar? Pretty sure the thigh restricts that. And for the most part. biting and hair pulling ain't gonna do much when adrenaline is pumping.

The only advantage for the untrained combatant would be a weapon.
I think I was pretty clear in saying the more controlled the fight the more the trained fighter has the advantage. Also I said the trained fighter has the advantage either way just more so when it's controlled. Which IMO is all 100% true.
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Watching people who get hip tossed (even lightly) and don't know how to break fall is just painful.
I've been hiptossed even an a wrestling matt and if they land on you especially it takes your breath away. On concrete? Something could be broken(rib).
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