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Old 05-02-2013, 12:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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He has received both negative and positive. Check out Chris Broussard's hard Christian stance on ESPN about how he believes it's a sin and against God. Sure he has got some support. But some people act like there is no backlash to go with it. There has been and will be more to come.
For every one hard christian twat there are 10 others who have no problem with homosexuality. His support is overwhelmingly positive. If we lived in a time when gay people we're regularly being abused in the street for no other reason then being gay ( eg, the 70's ) then I would commend his bravery. But in this day and age? Come on now. We have gay film stars. Gay singers. We have mainstream TV with a myriad of gay characters. Most of us work ( or have worked ) with at least one gay person.

Let me put it this way, would I want to know the sexual orientation of the people I know and work with? No. Would you? Would anybody here really want to know or even care? Times have changed. Making a fuss over a gay person coming out in this day and age is actually not helpful when it comes to total acceptance.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:51 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Besides getting some hate mail I don't think it'll be that big of a deal. Jake Shields comes to mind even though he's not officially out of the closet.
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I just don't understand anyone being annoyed or upset about Collins coming out. People(maybe not you) are implying he is doing for selfish gains. I don't care why he is doing it really but I see no reason to hate on him in any way.
In the post of mine that you quoted, I said this

"good for Jason, i'm glad he's comfortable enough in his skin to come out, this is a really good thing for him. 100% of Wizards Jersey sales in the last week have been Jason Collins jerseys" when nobody on the planet that wasn't in the Collins family owned a Jason or Jarron Collins jersey before this.

Not only am I happy that he's out and he doesn't feel "trapped" anymore, I'm also happy that the man is getting paid.

I think you should have quoted someone else.
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I have to say though that I am impressed with MMA fans, or at least the fans that post here ... it's probably stereo typing, but on this issue, and the issue of transsexuals fighting in the UFC, the MMA fans seem to be a whole lot more 'tolerant' (bad word, but the one that is used in cases like this) than the average population (although in the case of Collins, I think in general the 'tolerance' has been impressive even in the general population.)

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I hate that guys like Hardaway and Broussard get demonized for speaking their minds.

Hardaway was literally on a radio program and had that question sprung on him from nowhere, it wasn't a premeditated attack on gays, he was asked a question at the end of a radio program, said how he felt and next thing you know it's all over every news station in America.

The PC garbage is insufferable, because it leads to this attitude that we should all be fake as hell and speak in code all the time because people are too scared to say how they really feel.

It's just like Stephen A Smith said, when Gerry Cooney, a gloried bum fought Larry Holmes for the HW title a lot of white people rooted for Cooney and a lot of blacks for Holmes, and it was perfectly okay.

Meanwhile in 2013 people need to pretend and make up reasons to why they coincidentally loathe random black fighter x and coincidentally root for random white fighter x against him every time they fight. Or I have to pretend that irrelevant bums like Brian and Steve Blake develop cult followings for their sparkling personalities.

The same group of assholes that think they are being clever when they speak in their code words and call NBA players "thugs" while switching over to the family friendly sport of hockey where Dylan Blakesly punched Ivan Federov's teeth down his throat and we all celebrate.

And God forbid someone who is not retarded point out this obvious "subtle" racism. The PC police doesn't believe in racism or homophobia in 2013 because we all have out hand over our ears and our eyes shut and mouths closed.

Eventually if we pretend it doesn't exist it'll go away guys!
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Besides getting some hate mail I don't think it'll be that big of a deal. Jake Shields comes to mind even though he's not officially out of the closet.
hmmm, you think it's possibly? not the fist time i heard someone speculate about him. not a fan anyway.


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Like I said before, this isnt the 70's. The vast majority of civilised people have come to terms with homosexuality. 20 years ago, I remember having a conversation with parents who we're horrified at the thought of having children who might be gay. It's such a rare thing for me to hear now.
just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening all around you. it's just not "news worthy" now. if you looked around for it you would see it; not everything happens within shouting distance of your haunts. and i have met dozens of people who are still horrified at their children's possible homosexuality; up here in true blue states of new england and down south and in the west where my family is from. it's just now in hushed tones and in insular groups.

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I stand by what I said. Sexuality should be irrelevant, especially when we are talking about sports people. Times have changed as far as homosexual acceptance goes. The idiots are in a minority and will generally get hounded by the masses if they try and spout anything homophopic in public.
maybe minority in the country, but majority where they reside. it's almost like a national geographic documentary: The North American Homophobes - An Endangered Species. and that's almost worse, because their culture breeds and cultivates a lifestyle that is unhealthy. unless the national laws are passed to show that the way of thinking they have is wrong, it keeps breeding such a life.

then again, i'm talking out of my ass because there are still segregated high school proms in Mississippi and Georgia, so what do i know?

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If you are a gay sportsman, then just do what you want and dont explain yourself. Be openly gay. Go to gay bars. Whatever. Thats how you "come out", not by calling a fecking press conference or via some other media outlet... and theres certainly no need for sports fans to even discuss it. We are talking about sport not sex. Quite frankly, you comparing the need to discuss the sexuality of a gay sportsman living in the civilised west, to the horrors of slavery and child abuse is a load of total rubbish.
but there is need for the discussion..... silence is acceptance of the problem. if you can't talk about it then it's taboo, something you cannot talk about in public, something to be ashamed of. when it's not.

once the conversation becomes common place, once society is accepting enough that an eye is not batted when it spoken of, once no one cares enough to even show up to the press conference in the first place... then we can stop talking about it in the way you wish.



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Old 05-02-2013, 06:54 PM   #47 (permalink)
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it's just now in hushed tones and in insular groups.
Not meaning to dismiss the rest of your post. You have a valid perspective. It's not my perspective, but its valid none the less.

But the quote above says it all. I grew up in some seriously grimy part of London. Rough. If you we're gay you would have got your head kicked in if anybody found out. "Gay bashing" was a common passtime for caveman hooligans.

Now, as you say, its in hushed tones and insular groups. In other words, they have no more power. They wont find you and beat half to death. The worse that happens is some irrelevant wanker says some nasty words. Thats it. I really dont consider the current climate that hostile for a gay person, especially in the citys.

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but there is need for the discussion..... silence is acceptance of the problem. if you can't talk about it then it's taboo, something you cannot talk about in public, something to be ashamed of. when it's not.
I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying its a shameful thing. Read my post again. My point is, you should simply be yourself. Have a boyfriend. Go out with him in pubic. Go to gay bars. Do whatever you want and don't explain yourself. You don't have to. Its nobodies business. If you are a closet gay and want to "come out", then get up of your ass and go out there and be your beautiful gay self. Nobody is going to beat you up. Throw tomatoes at you. Somebody might call you a juvenile name once in a while. Thats huge progress. The PC brigade who love to constantly remind us that this shit goes on, must have short memories, because shit was HARSH for a gay person 20-30 years ago.
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Not meaning to dismiss the rest of your post. You have a valid perspective. It's not my perspective, but its valid none the less.

But the quote above says it all. I grew up in some seriously grimy part of London. Rough. If you we're gay you would have got your head kicked in if anybody found out. "Gay bashing" was a common passtime for caveman hooligans.

Now, as you say, its in hushed tones and insular groups. In other words, they have no more power. They wont find you and beat half to death. The worse that happens is some irrelevant wanker says some nasty words. Thats it. I really dont consider the current climate that hostile for a gay person, especially in the citys.



I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying its a shameful thing. Read my post again. My point is, you should simply be yourself. Have a boyfriend. Go out with him in pubic. Go to gay bars. Do whatever you want and don't explain yourself. You don't have to. Its nobodies business. If you are a closet gay and want to "come out", then get up of your ass and go out there and be your beautiful gay self. Nobody is going to beat you up. Throw tomatoes at you. Somebody might call you a juvenile name once in a while. Thats huge progress. The PC brigade who love to constantly remind us that this shit goes on, must have short memories, because shit was HARSH for a gay person 20-30 years ago.
Sounds like Europe is idyllic, here in North America gay people still routinely get their asses kicked and commonly beat to death. It is definitely not as uncommon as some people would like to believe, and to pretend that it is globally a rare occurance because you don't notice it is a very ethnocentric point of view. People publicly being 'out' in sports is very important to prove to other homosexual people who might not believe it at the time, that it does in fact, get better.

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People publicly being 'out' in sports is very important to prove to other homosexual people who might not believe it at the time, that it does in fact, get better.
But that's my point. Be publicly out. Be yourself. Be gay. Dont hold a press conference. Dont out yourself on national TV. Just be yourself. If you want to come out publicly, then go out with your boyfriend and have dinner. It's that simple. I appreciate that some people in some parts are backwards idiots. But I highly doubt the place this particular basketball player lives is anything but a nice tolerant environment.

I'm not sure my point is coming across correctly. I think it's time to back away from this seriousness. It doesn't suit me.
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But that's my point. Be publicly out. Be yourself. Be gay. Dont hold a press conference. Dont out yourself on national TV. Just be yourself. If you want to come out publicly, then go out with your boyfriend and have dinner. It's that simple. I appreciate that some people in some parts are backwards idiots. But I highly doubt the place this particular basketball player lives is anything but a nice tolerant environment.

I'm not sure my point is coming across correctly. I think it's time to back away from this seriousness. It doesn't suit me.
Entirely my mistake Sooj, I completely agree with you, press conferences are unnecessary.

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