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Old 07-11-2013, 07:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You see things completely different than me! And back in the Day Rich was a REAL champion, things have moved on a bit from them, but at the time he was a great Champion.

He's been the champ in the hardest weight class in the UFC for all these fights, what he has done is unbelievable IMO.
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People tend to forget that in early 2006, the superfight of the ages was Rich Franklin Vs Chuck Liddell... now they're both "overrated"... please. Sports fans in general are so predictable and fickle. Just appreciate what these men are doing in their time.

Regardless of UFC 162, Anderson will go down as the greatest of all time. Today's children will be told tales of the days of watching Anderson Silva fight... same with Fedor, same with Jones, same with Shogun, and even that jack ass Rampage, among many others.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Silva´s legacy is great and only second to the g.o.a.t. Yes it is easy to point at some of those guys and say they are overrated but the timing of the fight is what matters. Hendo was a beast when he fought Silva and in my mind he still is, Rich was one of the best middleweight's in the world when the spider tooled him. I could go on...


...but while most people may agree with that, many of them still piss on Fedor's legacy and by that reveal their true knowledge of the sport. Therefore I must stop here and throw no more gems for you poor souls.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Silva is the GOAT imo.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Silva was IMO just an overrated striker who was handed a long string of mediocre opponents.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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one of my first posts on here many many years ago was a debate on how good silva is, pretty much basing the opinion on who he beat etc

just like m.c. mentioned, it was how he won that makes him so great. and I think I used the analogy of andersons fights all being 6-0 in football rather than squeaking by 1-0 like a lot of fighters

nobody has done what he has and nobody ever will

one other thing that is impressive is he doesn't depend on power and strength like a lot of fighters. which suggests a higher level of skill
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How dare anyone speak ill of Rich Franklin....

He was part of the old guard with Chuck, Matt Hughes, Penn, Couture, etc...these guys were all considered true fighters and real champions. Franklin was great when he stormed onto the scene finishing opponents left and right while having a sole loss to Machida outside of the UFC. He was what? 22-1 or something when he fought Silva? A monster of a record at the time.

If you want to sit there and discredit Silva like that...you can do the same with Jones by stating that nearly all of his title fights have been against past prime aging, high mileage fighters.

You can also discredit a lot of GSP's fights....

But these three guys are the 3 greatest of all time and have great legacies.

I'm no Silva fan by any means but going 17 straight in a sport where one well placed shot can end everything in an instant is extremely impressive. Thats not even to mention his ridiculous finishes and brutal beat downs.
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While your "notes" on those opponents are fairly ridiculous, it made me quickly look up how those guys fared after fighting Anderson Silva. Those guys ended up with a combined record of 37-24 (60% wins) following the title fight with some guys like Belfort and Maia continuing to succeed and others like Leites and Irvin falling off the map. All things considered, that's pretty good.

Comparatively, the same stat with GSP opponents is barely over half at a record of 27-24 (53% wins).
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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While your "notes" on those opponents are fairly ridiculous, it made me quickly look up how those guys fared after fighting Anderson Silva. Those guys ended up with a combined record of 37-24 (60% wins) following the title fight with some guys like Belfort and Maia continuing to succeed and others like Leites and Irvin falling off the map. All things considered, that's pretty good.

Comparatively, the same stat with GSP opponents is barely over half at a record of 27-24 (53% wins).
What happens after the title fight means nothing. It's everything that happened leading up to the title fight and the title fight itself that matters. A lot of things can happen to a fighter after a championship bout loss. Imagine if this retarded KO loss ruins Silva mentally to the point that he just loses all faith in himself and can't strike for shit anymore and gets KO'd 3 more times in a row by worse and worse competition. Are we going to be idiots about it like the TC and go, "well Silva was never that great to begin with, I mean look at how he lost all those times after he experienced defeat." Things are relative, they're constantly changing but they don't change the reality of the past; which is why you might be a real smart guy right now, in great shape, good looking, and 10 years from be some stupid fat ugly slob and only a freaking dumbass would go, "hey, you know what, that dude wasn't so smart, good looking, or in that great of shape, look at how stupid fat and ugly he got." Makes no damn sense, which is why this topic is freaking retarded.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:24 AM   #20 (permalink)
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silva is one of the greatest, he was beaten by cans early in his career and fought them during his reign at the same he beat some of the best mw in the world at the time he fought them. i hate that mentality of "he lost 1 fight in 7 years so he has to be over rated trash" going by that logic, who would you consider to be a "good" fighter?
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