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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 07:00 AM
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Wing Chun is not for tournament, never has been and probably never will be.. WC can NEVER work under tournament/MMA/UFC etc regulations. Over 50% of the Wing Chun arsenal is illegal in competition, actually if WC is used correctly there is nothing legal about it besides the odd parry.
It's a car-park science...
Them dudes seldom lose in street combat yet they often lose in the ring/cage, that's part of the balance (yin-yang) of martial art
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No, not one who knew only Wing chun. They would get raped on the ground.
Yeah. You think so?? I think a wing chun practitioner who trains in defence against a bjj or any jiu-jitsu guy would kill him in a matter of seconds!! You are going on the premise that a wing chun guy would give him a chance to grab a hold of him and take him down. BIG MISTAKE,BUDDY!! A real wing chun master would not make that mistake (and neither would I, and I am not a master!!). You have to remember that a fight starts standing up, and that is where the wing chun master would have a MAJOR ADVANTAGE!! Usually Jiu-jitsu guys don't train in boxing, and MMA guys train in boxing,karate,kick-boxing and Jiu-Jitsu. Wing chun has the edge on ALL of these because of the basic nature of the style. It is a very efficient, very quick, and contrary to your belief and the belief of others, very powerful in a short distance (usually a matter of inches). Bruce Lee was a perfect example of that and he didn't even really follow the wing chun teachings(although he was taught the MODIFIED STYLE, with no footwork or entry techniques). He took his wc training and used the underlying principles and carried it over to JKD. All a wing chun master would have to do is enter, trap the hand and pound the shit out of the helpless sap and it would be over.
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Yeah. You think so?? I think a wing chun practitioner who trains in defence against a bjj or any jiu-jitsu guy would kill him in a matter of seconds!! You are going on the premise that a wing chun guy would give him a chance to grab a hold of him and take him down. BIG MISTAKE,BUDDY!! A real wing chun master would not make that mistake (and neither would I, and I am not a master!!). You have to remember that a fight starts standing up, and that is where the wing chun master would have a MAJOR ADVANTAGE!! Usually Jiu-jitsu guys don't train in boxing, and MMA guys train in boxing,karate,kick-boxing and Jiu-Jitsu. Wing chun has the edge on ALL of these because of the basic nature of the style. It is a very efficient, very quick, and contrary to your belief and the belief of others, very powerful in a short distance (usually a matter of inches). Bruce Lee was a perfect example of that and he didn't even really follow the wing chun teachings(although he was taught the MODIFIED STYLE, with no footwork or entry techniques). He took his wc training and used the underlying principles and carried it over to JKD. All a wing chun master would have to do is enter, trap the hand and pound the shit out of the helpless sap and it would be over.
And what is this?? It just shows a wing chun practioner of lower rank going up against someone of a higher rank. So what?? What does it prove. How about showing me a wing chun master going against another master.
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lol tradional martial arts. A "master" would be an old man in his 40s or 50s at least.

He'd get slaughtered.

No serious athletes do Wing Chun anyway.

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No, not one who knew only Wing chun. They would get raped on the ground.
If the fight eneded up on the ground wing chun would be destroyed!
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it is not only down to which style a fighter has.
you can have any style and be successful with it. It all comes down to your personal training and talent.
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HA! Awesome. Glad I joined this forum.

My take (which is worth about what it is costing you)?

NO. I don't think MMA is the ultimate fighting science, and I certainly don't think that every MMA guy could beat every (fill the blank) guy. Some would win and some would lose, but you have to think about the ground game, the rules of MMA and the insane physical ability of even the low end amateur guys.

No disrespect to the art that BL championed, but there is a huge difference between beating on a wooden pole and surviving a greg jackson camp.
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let's be honest 5 minutes here. I've done some wing chun and it was a lot of fun, learned a thing or two and whatnot.

the only times I've seen WC actually work was against compliant "opponents" for promotional videos and students who didn't know better.

Maybe the confidence it gives you, to practice a martial art would help against unexperienced, untrained random street guy.

When you look at "MMA", it's basically (very) a selection of moves from several martial arts, put together in a skill set that would fit a given fighter style and preference.

There are probably a few moves or principles that could be used in an MMA fight, stuff behind what they call the "one inch punch" (which I believe is already more or less there in MMA) for example, and probably a few other things.

But WC as a whole and only style, I don't see it happening. Some actual, already experienced and talented MMA fighter should look into it and maybe find stuff that could actually work.

But the biggest problem of WC is its army of blind followers spilling that washed up marketing stuff that only they believe in. I was one of them once, thankfully I didn't need to get my butt kicked to wake up from that dream.

but yea, there are a few things that could work or help practicing more general stuff in other martial arts.

but first, the WC practicionners should understand that spamming and trolling won't help in giving more respect to WC.


As far as traditional martial arts go, I'd love to see some drunken boxing moves at some point in MMA's future as it uses a principle that we know does work: unpredictability.

And didn't we see AS use a couple capoeira stuff at some point too? and who forgot about that matrix kick from Pettis, Machida and Thompson karate moves etc... extremely talented fighters can make these styles work and pull it off.


WC guys like to bring up Bruce Lee, but Lee didn't stick with WC for that long, he took what worked in it and basically came up with his vision of "MMA" that might have some elements of WC in it but it was certainly not the major component of that style.
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The truth is that you can't compare the two. Traditional Martial Arts is often not for the sake of competitive sparring. Some martial arts were first created as a means of exercise, military warfare, or had to be developed in secrecy. The fact, however, remains that most have given aid to the rise of mixed martial arts.

Some more facts that cause comparison to be mute are that mixed martial arts is still bound by rules and regulations, where as traditional martial arts is in a real world life or death scenario. Another term that needs to be up for review is Wing Chun master, often the term master is thrown around loosely.

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