If you didn't immediately know what question i was talking about, im talking about the age old question. Which organisation has the better fighters. Pride or UFC?
Now before you all reach for the neg rep button, or flame me to hell, know that i ask this question without an agenda. I don't have a favorite organisation, nor do i have a favorite fighter....i typically like to call it how i see it. I realise that this thread may still be a bit premature, but after last night i was thinking about it a little. So in that spirit, lets break it down if we can.
All solid Pride fighters that have come to the UFC. Of those, Nog and Hendo can't be counted because they have not fought any UFC guys. So that leaves -
CroCop has been a big disappointment for seemingly various reasons, or maybe he just came up against better fighters. You decide. Personally, i think once people figured him out, he wasn't as scary and suddenly looked vulnerable.
Rampage has had great success. KOed his gatekeeper, then demolished the long time LHW champ. I don't think anyone can question Rampage, and he is probably the best argument Pride fans have.
Wandy just lost a great fight against Chuck. For a long time both these guys were the best of both organisations, and as such, make good measuring sticks. Well, Chuck out struck Wand, and some would argue that it proves the UFC's 205 division is better than Prides.
Shogun got choked out by a "TUF Noob" when he was supposed to be no.1 LHW in the world.
Werdum, highly touted, lost to AA, who lost to Big Tim. Make of that what you will.
Herring - meh. That guys going nowhere in the UFC despite all the hype and fanfare he came in with.
Sokky just got made look foolish at the hands of Machida.
Chonan just lost to a guy who i don't see topping 170 in the UFC in Karo. Honestly though, i almost didn't count Chonan against Pride because he wasn't really that good there either.
At the end of that day, we have 8 guys, 1 winner, and 7 losers. Forgive me Pride fans, but that is not a very good trend. The only thing that keeps me from saying outright that Pride clearly wasn't as tough as the UFC is Nog & Hendo. If they win, then the debate will continue, but if they lose, then im afraid the answer will be obvious. The UFC by and large is just a tougher organisation to fight in. There are no gimme fights, and the top guys don't ever fight cans. The top of the food chain Pride guys don't look so great in the UFC because the general level of competition is just higher.
Frankly, i don't think you can compare and 15-2 pride record to a 15-2 UFC record. The Pride record is going to almost always be padded with forgettable names, or ex-UFC guys that can't hang in the UFC anymore.
What do you guys think? Is it too early to talk about this? Or have we seen enough? I think we'll have a much better idea in 6 months when these guys have fought a couple more times....but hey, this is a discussion board. Discuss.