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Old 01-01-2008, 07:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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There is no point comparing two fighters when they're fighting under the same buisness. Saying UFC > PRIDE because Wandy lost to Chuck is stupid. They're fighting under the same organiztion working to make the UFC better. They're not competing aginst each other (organisation wise) so why should we keep comparing them?
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think you have to take in the fact that if a fighter has been fighting in a ring for the majority of their career any transition to a different format is going to have a massive effect.

In the case of Wanderlei he's been fighting in a ring for nigh on seven years exclusively. It may take more than one fight to make an adjustment. Yes, he has fought in a cage before, but that's nearly seven years ago. You forget things in seven years. I can hardly remember anything from some subjects I did in school seven years ago. Sure I remember some things, but I bet if I did some exams now I probably wouldn't fail but I wouldn't do aswell as I did then. Yes you can train in a cage, but I'm sure it's not the same as actually fighting someone in it for real. Especially fighting someone of the caliber as Chuck Liddel.

Fighters, like anyone, need time to adjust and gain real experience. Some fighters might need one fight, some might need three or four. Some might not even be able to make the adjustment and may not be as succesful. This doesn't make them bad fighters it just means the format doesn't suit them. It certainly shouldn't belittle what they have proven and done in the past against other people.



I own every UFC up to UFC 45 and every Pride up to the 2003 Pride MWGP. In our house we rewatch loads of fights from both. Both organisations have had great fighters and great fights going way back to before 2000. A great fight is a great fight, no matter whether it takes place in a ring, a cage or a dojo. But, if we feel like watching a whole event, we'd normally watch a Pride event. Why? Because the whole package appeals to us more. Commentators, crowd reactions to fighters and the fights, event intro's (PRIDE THEME IS THE FKIN SHIT, sorry but we love that thing), fighter entrances, ruleset, sketches and interviews. Note how none of these things are to do with an actual fighters skills in fighting. ;p
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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what he is aying is that there really is no difference in fighting when it comes to pride and ufc...they both compete as organizations but.......UFC is dominntright now and no matter what anyone says about pride vs ufc .....dana is in control..i agree he may not be for long(mark cuban and other payin alot to mma fighters)but right now he has a strong hold...**** Fedor and randy and I'm shocked I'm sayin that but it is a bus and Dana has been fair....SOrry Randy
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Old 01-01-2008, 08:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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1.) The whole ORG>ORG, argument is the stupidest thing to ever occur, and whoever started it is a horrible horrible person . It's all about the fighters and the individuals. Some Pride fighters such as Rampage and A.silva (if you consider him a pride fighter) have become very successful to the point where they are champions. If everyone would just shut up and judge the fighters instead of these petty organisation wars. It's all about each individual fighter. Please, I donít want to see anymore people making terribly babyish pride statements that we can never prove nor find out about.he individual fighter rather then him representing the whole org.
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Your forgetting the most important arguement.

All of these PRIDE fighters coming in and losing have only had basicly ONE match. They lost ONE match and people feel its justified to say UFC>PRIDE. How do you know a guy like Sokky, or Wandy, or Aurelio, wont suddenly "mop the floor" with their divisions, or vice versa.

Enjoy the fight, dont cling onto your organizations nuts.
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Your forgetting the most important arguement.

All of these PRIDE fighters coming in and losing have only had basicly ONE match. They lost ONE match and people feel its justified to say UFC>PRIDE. How do you know a guy like Sokky, or Wandy, or Aurelio, wont suddenly "mop the floor" with their divisions, or vice versa.
Like A. Silva and Rampage?
And soon to be Nog in HW.
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Your forgetting the most important arguement.

All of these PRIDE fighters coming in and losing have only had basicly ONE match.
We forgetting Crocop and Herring?
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Ramzee the sig is just to give you a hard time since all the fighters in your normal sig were Pride fighters (Previously) it was pretty obvious which was you favorite.
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Ramzee the sig is just to give you a hard time since all the fighters in your normal sig were Pride fighters (Previously) it was pretty obvious which was you favorite.
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Like A. Silva and Rampage?
And soon to be Nog in HW.
Keep dreaming. Tim will mop the floor with Nog and you can quote me on that!

As for the topic- I totally agree with the people who said don't judge a fighter on one fight! Shogun, Sokky, and Nakimura had one bad debut! A lot of fighters bounce back from one fight! Hell, there are some that could bounce back from 4 losses in a row!
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