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**plazzman** · 01-11-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DropKick

What if Tim beats Nog and Fedor doesn't fight anyone soon? Is Tim then #1?

Umm, no not quite, you see Nog has faced ALOT better competition than Sylvia and has beaten most. His record and resume is MUUUUCHH better than Sylvia's.

If Sylvia wins, and Fedor doesn't fight, Ill give Sylvia a solid #2 position and possibly #1 if neither Nog or Fedor fight after.

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Originally Posted by kds13

Thanks for bringing sense to this conversation. The person with the clear cut #1 resume is Fedor, but if he doesn't fight competition he's going to slip.

But Randy and Nog's resumes aren't even close. Nog is the CLEAR #2.

Thanks, but actually, I think as consistent and dominant as Fedor's record is, his hit-list isn't as star-studded or prolific as Nog's.

Nog has constantly faced MUUCH tougher competition with like 60% less cans in his record. But still you have Fedor who's beaten Nog 2 1/2 times and has just absolutely demolished his opponants, and thats what really puts him at #1.

SlammedSL1 · 01-11-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kds13

Thanks for bringing sense to this conversation. The person with the clear cut #1 resume is Fedor, but if he doesn't fight competition he's going to slip.

But Randy and Nog's resumes aren't even close. Nog is the CLEAR #2.

Agreed.

This discussion was about Fedor being ranked #1 above Randy, Nog is surely second.

**The Legend** · 01-11-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SlammedSL1

It has always been about the bandwagons imo lol

This discussion has been going on lots of other places too, I've been reading it all, lots of points brought up. I just can't believe how much credit Fedor's lost because of Pride being bought out

Let me guess the other place was sherdog? The reason why Fedor has lost credit is because he isn't fighting top quality opponents right now when he is supposed to be the top guy. He chose a MW in Matt Lindland who is a good fighter over a HW in Jeff Monson to fight at bodog how can you respect that and imo he could of should of lost that fight if it weren't for him grabbing onto the ropes.

**kds13** · 01-11-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by plazzman

Thanks, but actually, I think as consistent and dominant as Fedor's record is, his hit-list isn't as star-studded or prolific as Nog's.

Nog has constantly faced MUUCH tougher competition with like 60% less cans in his record. But still you have Fedor who's beaten Nog 2 1/2 times and has just absolutely demolished his opponants, and thats what really puts him at #1.

I can definitely agree with that, but the only difference is Fedor's L column. He has faced tough enough competition to be the clear #1 considering he has no legitimate losses. Nog, with 4 losses, still has faced the better competition during his whole career. If it weren't for the glaring Fedor losses, he'd be considered the greatest fighter to grace the planet...and even then he still wouldn't get enough love.

DropKick · 01-11-2008, 03:14 PM

For a long time most MMA fans felt that PRIDE fighters were better than guys from the UFC. Fedor built his reputation in that organization against what were supposed to have been the 'best fighters in the world'. Well, as it turns out, Pride fighters really aren't superior to the UFC fighters as we've seen from some of the PRIDE talent coming into the UFC. I'm not saying I don't think PRIDE fighters are good here, but I am saying that UFC fighters were vastly underated by a lot of the PRIDE / MMA fans.

So,what does this mean? Well, when people see guys like The CroCop come to the UFC and get there asses handed to them twice and guys like Heath Herring get beat by Jake O'Brien it raises serious questions as to the level of competition in PRIDE. Without turning this into Pride vs. UFC post I think people just feel that if guys like The CroCop get dominated by UFC fighters like GG or Kongo, then why is it not possible that top HW's in the UFC like Tim or Randy could compete with the likes of a Fedor?

SlammedSL1 · 01-11-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Legend

Let me guess the other place was sherdog? The reason why Fedor has lost credit is because he isn't fighting top quality opponents right now when he is supposed to be the top guy. He chose a MW in Matt Lindland who is a good fighter over a HW in Jeff Monson to fight at bodog how can you respect that and imo he could of should of lost that fight if it weren't for him grabbing onto the ropes.

Woah what??

Wait one second...

First off, I've never been to Sherdog. I've heard nothing but horror stories. Not everyone who follows MMA is on an MMA exclusive board.

Secondly, just because Matt Lindland MIGHT have taken down Fedor, does not mean he would have one

You put "could of should of" by accident I think, I assume you meant "could of"

**plazzman** · 01-11-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kds13

I can definitely agree with that, but the only difference is Fedor's L column. He has faced tough enough competition to be the clear #1 considering he has no legitimate losses. Nog, with 4 losses, still has faced the better competition during his whole career. If it weren't for the glaring Fedor losses, he'd be considered the greatest fighter to grace the planet...and even then he still wouldn't get enough love.

Oh of course, I agree, thats why I used the words Resume and Record differently. With Resume being dudes faced, and Record being turn out of fights.

But even then, Nog has only lost to the best. This is what makes it so difficult, Fedor and Nog have both respectively had the 2 best careers in HW and possibly MMA, and they will for a VERY long time be the top 2 dogs.

Nick_V03 · 01-11-2008, 03:22 PM

Fedor could be number 1, he probably is. However, he will no longer have that spot if he keeps fighting guys like Hong Man Choi. It's not about what you can do or what you've done, its about what you've done lately. He's still basically undefeated but look at his recent wins, Lindlands a good fighter but lets be honest, hes a middleweight. Hong Man Choi is a beast but not that experienced in MMA, his groundwork looked horrible, that arm bar was waiting to happen. Mark Hunt has great standup and a great chin but Fedor is a bad matchup for him and like many probably predicted, he was submitted on the ground. Mark Coleman is one dimensional and old, easy win. Zuluzinho? Do I even need to bother?

It's a shame that his legacys starting to fade due to fighting weak competition but all he needs is to fight a solid top 10 heavyweight and he'll be right back at number 1, but until then I think its unfair to have that "Fedor doesn't need to fight top competition, we ALL know what would happen anyways!" mentality. Might as well have every top guy at their weight class not fight top competition anymore either.

I'll put number 1 heavyweight as undecided.

**Flak** · 01-11-2008, 03:27 PM

I'd be ok with Nog being #2 and Randy #3. MY only issue with Nog is Barnett. I think Barnett is ranked too high. We are all over Fedor for not fighting, and he's Fedor....but then we have Barnett who hasn't fought for over a year either, and has lost 2 of his last 3 with the sole win being a can.

If Fedor has to slip, so too does Barnett. Take him out of the equation and the only good guy Nog has fought in the last 3 years is Werdum, and that was 18 months ago.

Again, it's not that Randy is the better fighter (althouggh he might be we don't know) it's just that he has proven he is top teir twice in 2007 while Fedor and Nog haven't. When either Fedor or Nog fight and win again against a top 10 guy then they immediately leap to #1 imo.

Randy is #1 through circumstance in my eyes, and is just keeping the spot warm for Nog or Fedor until they fight a top 10 HW. Nevertheless though....as of today, right now, i think he has to be #1.