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DropKick · 01-11-2008, 03:54 PM

[quote=plazzman;435804]Randy only has 2 victories after not fighting in the division for almost 4 years. Sure Fedor hasn't fought the best recently, but hes atleast been fighting and winning consistantly in the division all his career.

Plus how can you so blindly throw Randy ahead of so many people who have done much better than him. Guys like Syvlia, Barnett, Mirko, Nog. etc have done much more things in the HW division since and before Couture came back.QUOTE]

Yeah, but the fact is Randy beat 2 top 10 HW's this year. Nobody else in the HW division has done that this year. Not Nog, Barnett, Mirko, Sylvia or Fedor. That has to be taken into consideration.

**southpaw447** · 01-11-2008, 03:55 PM

Did I also mention Jeremy Horn and Mo Smith whom randy has fought.

And not only did he beat Belfort, he outstruck him, when he was in prime and that was Randys 3rd fight ever...just 5 months after his last win.

**kds13** · 01-11-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flak

I'd be ok with Nog being #2 and Randy #3. MY only issue with Nog is Barnett. I think Barnett is ranked too high. We are all over Fedor for not fighting, and he's Fedor....but then we have Barnett who hasn't fought for over a year either, and has lost 2 of his last 3 with the sole win being a can.

If Fedor has to slip, so too does Barnett. Take him out of the equation and the only good guy Nog has fought in the last 3 years is Werdum, and that was 18 months ago.

Again, it's not that Randy is the better fighter (althouggh he might be we don't know) it's just that he has proven he is top teir twice in 2007 while Fedor and Nog haven't. When either Fedor or Nog fight and win again against a top 10 guy then they immediately leap to #1 imo.

Randy is #1 through circumstance in my eyes, and is just keeping the spot warm for Nog or Fedor until they fight a top 10 HW. Nevertheless though....as of today, right now, i think he has to be #1.

Whoa whoa whoa...taking Barnett out of the equation now because he hasn't fought is logical but that doesn't make it less of a victory when Nog beat him. At the time Nog beat Barnett, he was the legitimate #3 or 4 HW. You can't erase that...

Randy beat the most overhyped fighter of 2007, GG. One kick does not make him the next Jesus. And Tim Sylvia was fighting with no operation of his back. Come on. Its very impressive what Randy has done, but its not enough to put him over Fedor or Nogueira.

Nog's wins are simply better than Randy's will ever be. Cro Cop, Barnett, Werdum, Kharitonov, Goodridge, Horn, Overeem, Herring, Tamura, Sapp, Inoue, Schilt, Henderson, Nastula.

You can't take any of those losses away. Barnett hasn't fought in a while now, but does that make the win less impressive when it happened back then? Of course not. Same with Cro Cop. Mirko hasn't looked good lately, but when Nog beat him he was a legit #2. You CANNOT take those losses away.

SlammedSL1 · 01-11-2008, 04:00 PM

It's hard for people to respect a win over Tim because, frankly, no one likes Tim. He gets no respect. GG was on a tear, but hadn't fought anyone top 10 (IIRC), schooled a questionable Crocop, then got owned when he may not have been ready.

HW was lacklustre so Randy came in and put on a show

smooth810 · 01-11-2008, 04:02 PM

We will never know how good Fedor is or could have been for these reasons

1). Most of his huge victories in pride mean less now that Mirko, Heath got there arse's kicked in the UFC...plus guys like Bid daddy , Mark Hunt were UFC washed up dropouts
BAsically pride fighters haven't fared well in the UFC...I'm surprised by this actually

2.) Fedor seems to be ducking the UFC and high levels of competion...He just fought a talent less freak-show...and a old-ass ufc dropout in Matt Lindland..

3.) Fedor could fight anywhere in the world it's all up to him...every major organization has asked him too and he has came up with excuses...$$ or fear???

4) Randy fights only the best..and always the best...win or lose.. If fedor did this..I would respect him more..

**The Legend** · 01-11-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by southpaw447

at that time he was good and was considered to be a serious contender. But Randy just made him look silly.

Thanks to a pep talk from Robb2140, I', now able to look at things more objectively instead on of nuthugging so much

You mean he was a champion and not contender... I'll admit that Randy kicked Tito's ass and Tito only really has two quality wins since then (should be three) but glad to see you're going to look at things more objectively

**plazzman** · 01-11-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flak

Wel he straight up beat Sylvia. I explained my reasoning for Barnett, Nog, and Fedor....and Mirko looks terrible recently. These guys may have done more at HW in their careers....but no one has done more in 2007 at HW than randy. That last part isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Like i said. Circumstances more than how good he is has Randy at #1 for me, and as soon as Nog or Fedor fight a top 10 guy and win, they leap frog him. He's keeping the #1 spot toasty warm for one of them.

Well, sure, by your reasoning we can give Randy "Heavy Weight Fighter of 2007", but that still doesn't mean hes the best HW in terms of rankings.

Plus, when you look at it, not alot of significant HW fights took place in 2007. It has alot to do with opportunity also.

**MJB23** · 01-11-2008, 04:08 PM

how can you consider someone who hasn't fought anyone in the top ten in 3 years #1? Fedor is no longer deserving of the number 1 spot b/c he hasn't fought anyone noticeable since 2005. Randy doesnt deserve it either b/c he only beat 2
HW's this year. before that he had 2 bad losses.

**The Legend** · 01-11-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SlammedSL1

It's hard for people to respect a win over Tim because, frankly, no one likes Tim. He gets no respect. GG was on a tear, but hadn't fought anyone top 10 (IIRC), schooled a questionable Crocop, then got owned when he may not have been ready.

HW was lacklustre so Randy came in and put on a show

I like Tim, people need to give more respect to him he is possibly the most underrated fighter for no reason.

**Flak** · 01-11-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kds13

Whoa whoa whoa...taking Barnett out of the equation now because he hasn't fought is logical but that doesn't make it less of a victory when Nog beat him. At the time Nog beat Barnett, he was the legitimate #3 or 4 HW. You can't erase that...

Randy beat the most overhyped fighter of 2007, GG. One kick does not make him the next Jesus. And Tim Sylvia was fighting with no operation of his back. Come on. Its very impressive what Randy has done, but its not enough to put him over Fedor or Nogueira.

Nog's wins are simply better than Randy's will ever be. Cro Cop, Barnett, Werdum, Kharitonov, Goodridge, Horn, Overeem, Herring, Tamura, Sapp, Inoue, Schilt, Henderson, Nastula.

You can't take any of those losses away. Barnett hasn't fought in a while now, but does that make the win less impressive when it happened back then? Of course not. Same with Cro Cop. Mirko hasn't looked good lately, but when Nog beat him he was a legit #2. You CANNOT take those losses away.

That true, fair enough.

Even with those wins though, they're aging. Barnett was over a year ago now, and he was coming off a loss to Mirko and a win over a can. Werdum was over 18 months ago too.

I guess my criteria to be #1 requires that you fight well, and often, and recent wins trump old ones. But that's my bias.

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