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01-11-2008, 04:13 PM
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Don't Make Me Destroy You
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Originally Posted by SlammedSL1
It's hard for people to respect a win over Tim because, frankly, no one likes Tim. He gets no respect. GG was on a tear, but hadn't fought anyone top 10 (IIRC), schooled a questionable Crocop, then got owned when he may not have been ready.
HW was lacklustre so Randy came in and put on a show
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Just because nobody likes Tim doesn't take away from the fact he holds a very impressive record.
The CC win wasn't questionable at all. Mirko was dumb for deciding to not train in a cage and with elbows and he paid dearly.
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01-11-2008, 04:15 PM
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This got moved to smacktalk? I dont see anyone talking smack.
I think this is a good, intelligent, reasonable, civil discussion on the landscape @ HW. What gives?
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01-11-2008, 04:17 PM
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I guess my criteria to be #1 requires that you fight well, and often, and recent wins trump old ones. But that's my bias.
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Well in that case, Couture is 3-4 in his last 7 (or last 3 years).
Nogueira is 10-2 w/1 NC in his last 13 (or last 3 years).
Fedor is 11-0 w/1 NC in his last 12 (or last 3 years).
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01-11-2008, 04:18 PM
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Strikes back!
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"Recent" is clearly an arbitrary definition  |
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01-15-2008, 02:40 PM
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i dont know ho is best NOW, they have to fight first, but fedor is the greatest ever
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01-15-2008, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flak
Wel he straight up beat Sylvia. I explained my reasoning for Barnett, Nog, and Fedor....and Mirko looks terrible recently. These guys may have done more at HW in their careers....but no one has done more in 2007 at HW than randy. That last part isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
Like i said. Circumstances more than how good he is has Randy at #1 for me, and as soon as Nog or Fedor fight a top 10 guy and win, they leap frog him. He's keeping the #1 spot toasty warm for one of them.
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One reason why the people you mentioned haven't done much in 2007 was because the organization they were fighting in (pride) went bankrupt and was bought by ufc so there was a time when these fighters were transitioning to the ufc and needed time to settle.
IMO i don't think randy could beat Mark Hunt or HMC just because they would be too big for him. Fedor would have prob beaten tim and gg with ease.
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01-16-2008, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by yorT
One reason why the people you mentioned haven't done much in 2007 was because the organization they were fighting in (pride) went bankrupt and was bought by ufc so there was a time when these fighters were transitioning to the ufc and needed time to settle.
IMO i don't think randy could beat Mark Hunt or HMC just because they would be too big for him. Fedor would have prob beaten tim and gg with ease.
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The first paragraph is reasonable, but that doesn't change the facts. Infact, it just reinforces my thought that circumstances (Pride dying) have allowed Randy to climb the ladder.
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01-16-2008, 05:12 PM
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WAR COTE!!!
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The #1 heavyweight in the world right now is Big Nog IMO, he is the best heavyweight out there that is still willing to fight anyone and everyone, Randy only wants to fight Fedor, Fedor is fighting in exhibition fights against freaks and MW's so in my eyes both Randy and Fedor have taken themselves out of the divisions, in order to be ranked you have to be active in the division and I havent figured out how Fedor who hasnt fought another HW in over a year is still considered active and Randy has stated he isnt fighting so he has taken him self off the active roster.
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01-16-2008, 05:46 PM
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We all know Fedor is awesome.
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01-16-2008, 09:01 PM
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.Play For Blood.
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Originally Posted by Flak
Fedor still fights? Barely.
Fedor had an unbelievable run in 2004-2006 (im including the NYE fight with Nog as 2005) with 2005 being the standout year. Since then though, he hasn't done much. IF this conversation was a year ago, we wouldn't be having it because id be right there with you. But it's 2008, and Fedor hasn't done anything impressive since August 2005 when he beat The CroCop. That's a long time.
Zulu? Please.
Coleman? Over the hill one dimensional fighter.
Hunt? Nowhere near the top 10, but probably the best of the worst.
Lindland? Middleweight.
Choi? Do i really even need to explain this one?
I'll conceed perhaps Randy doesn't deserve to be #1 either, but at least he has done a couple of impressive things recently. He dominated Sylvia for 5 rounds, who like it or not is a top 35, possible top 3 heavyweight who was also the UFC champ. Then he beat Gonzaga, a solid top 10 HW who absolutely dominated The CroCop.
Randy may not deserve the #1 spot, but neither does Fedor imo. I give it to Randy though because he had a good year. If Fedor fights someone in the top 10 soon, ill shoot him straight back to the top of the rankings no problem....but if he doesn't, he will continue to slip not only in my eyes, but everyone elses too.
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