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Old 05-29-2008, 07:22 PM   #41 (permalink)
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This thread is completely laughable. For people to disrespect Bruce Lee is disgusting.

People seem to think Bruce was a movie star and not a martial artist. One person though that on the set of Enter the Dragon and while the guy was much bigger and looked way tougher than Bruce, he got his ass handed to him. Bruce even toyed with the guy before taking him down and placing his knee on his chest. The source? Bob Wall.

The man possessed some serious power (using the one-inch-punch to send a 250 pound guy 10 feet back, knocking a guy who outweighed him by 100 pounds down on the ground by kicking a Muay Thai pad the guy was holding) while retaining incredibly speed (snatching a penny off someone's palm and placing a dime, before the other person could react, punching a karate black belt 8 times while warning him he was going to punch him in the face while the karate black belt had his hands literally by his face. He was supposed to block the shots, but wasn't fast enough to react)

The point is, Bruce Lee was a man far ahead of his time. If he was in his prime in present day, there's no telling how much he would dominate the UFC. The guy has the total package: strength, speed, power, endurance, flexibility, work ethic, passion, dedication, and a commitment to learn. There's a reason why Dana White named him the father of mixed martial arts.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:40 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Just like clockwork... After every UFC event a "Bruce Lee in the UFC" topic comes up.

Let me say this: I am a fan of Sifu Lee. I admire the fact that he was willing to step outside of the confines of the standard TMA mindset. In fact, I currently train at a facility run by a second generation JKD student who trained under the man himself. While Lee was a phenomenal athlete, teacher, and afficionado/virtuoso of the Martial Arts I will not, and do not, place any unfounded confidence in his chances within the confines of the Octagon.

The truth is this, no matter how highly your regard (or loathingly disregard) his stature as a martial artist, you have to understand that as a martial artist he was only a fledgling grappler. His philosophies and approach to the Martial Arts as a whole was constantly evolving, and at the point in his life that he left the world, he would not have been the "formless" martial artist that he would need to be to compete in the MMA at a higher level.

Was he going that direction? Yes he was. His work with Gene LeBell during the later part of his life hinted toward that, so did his early philosophical manuscripts on martial arts (Tao of Jeet Kune Do, Expressing the Human Body, etc). Was he at the point where he could compete with the elite athletes in MMA today? Nothing in any of the documented history of his life makes me believe that.

Father of modern MMA or not, he sure as hell did inspire a lot of current MMAist in following the path that they are on now.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:13 PM   #43 (permalink)
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This thread is completely laughable. For people to disrespect Bruce Lee is disgusting.

People seem to think Bruce was a movie star and not a martial artist. One person though that on the set of Enter the Dragon and while the guy was much bigger and looked way tougher than Bruce, he got his ass handed to him. Bruce even toyed with the guy before taking him down and placing his knee on his chest. The source? Bob Wall.
Wow, he was able to throw an actor around. Lol. No offense dawg, but any decent martial arts guy should be able to throw someone bigger than them but untrained around.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:43 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Okay fair enough I guess dawg. Ese. Holmes. Cabron.

Anyway, he also completely dominated the ever-so-beloved Chuck Norris and Bob Wall. Both black belts in karate I might add.

I think comparing Bruce Lee to a current MMA fighter like Fedor or Anderson Silva is quite unfair. Two completely different times and it's like comparing apples to grapes.

Addressing the "Bruce Lee was a myth made up by weak geeks" comment, I guess you might as well call Georges St. Pierre, Anderson Silva, and Sugar Ray Robinson weak geeks too right?
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Okay fair enough I guess dawg. Ese. Holmes. Cabron.
Cabron huh? gee, thanks.

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Anyway, he also completely dominated the ever-so-beloved Chuck Norris and Bob Wall. Both black belts in karate I might add.

I think comparing Bruce Lee to a current MMA fighter like Fedor or Anderson Silva is quite unfair. Two completely different times and it's like comparing apples to grapes.
Well the issue wasn't whether it was fair or not, it was whether he could compete. If you just yanked him out of history and pit him against BJ Penn right away? No way. He just didn't have the integrated technique- it didn't exist yet.

He would have a good amount of training ahead of him to even be able to hang, but he died young so i wouldn't rule it out. The guy was driven.
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Cabron huh? gee, thanks.
So I take it you know Spanish eh?

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Well the issue wasn't whether it was fair or not, it was whether he could compete. If you just yanked him out of history and pit him against BJ Penn right away? No way. He just didn't have the integrated technique- it didn't exist yet.
So what evidence can you bring to the table to say that he could be owned by Penn? People here say he could get trashed by any current professional or even amateur MMA fighter. What evidence do you have other than "they were completely different periods in time" and "he was an actor, not a fighter"?

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He did plenty of training and dedicated a good portion of his everyday life to training. Like you said, he died so young and he left so many of his own questions unanswered that the world will never know how well he would do in competitive combat sports.
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He did plenty of training and dedicated a good portion of his everyday life to training. Like you said, he died so young and he left so many of his own questions unanswered that the world will never know how well he would do in competitive combat sports.
By that logic alone, it is impossible to say for certain that he would do well. While I find the view that "Bruce Lee is a myth... an actor only" a close-minded one, I find the view that "without a doubt, Bruce would own" just as ignorant. The big reason why these topics are never taken seriously is that the majority of the contributors are either on one extreme or other on the spectrum of things.

The truth of the matter is that this topic is all a big game of "what if" that can not be proven one way or the other. It's entertaining (in a slightly embarassing sense) that posters get so worked up over this topic.

While he was a phenomenal martial artist who was physically gifted, he was also an intellectual when it came to the workings of the human body. He was a training freak, much of because he was a live experiment of his own theories. While that is a given, there is no sound proof of his performance against a higher level of competition in a striking or grappling environment.

Heck, after working with Gene LeBell even he knew he had to incorporate a greater body of grappling techniques into the ever evolving cannon of "Jeet Kune Do." He knew it was something he had to work on. He knew it was something he was not as good at doing in comparison to throwing sidekicks or lead straights. Considering that, I doubt he would do well against a world-class grappler.

A little off topic: But by many of Gene LeBell's and Dan Inosanto's accounts, Lee loved to grapple. He just never did a lot of it on screen because it would have been too hard to portray the technique in a way that could be easily appreciated for the audience at that time. Not that it didn't stop him showing off a Crucifix Neck Crank on Samo in Enter the Dragon, a Guillotine Choke against Chuck Norris in Return of the Dragon, or a Bulldog Choke against Kareem Abdul-Jabar in Game of Death. His lack of grappling knowledge was something he admitted openly.

Does that in any way detract his accomplishments in my eyes? Nope, not at all. I definitely give him his due. I just cannot give him any more while maintaining my own intellectual integrity.
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So I take it you know Spanish eh?
You know, on second thought I don't think I'll continue a conversation with a guy called me a bitch and then acts all smarmy about it. To be honest I was expecting something of an apology. You might want to learn to debate without namecalling.
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Okay fair enough I guess dawg. Ese. Holmes. Cabron.
That was a bad call. I don't care what language you use, this is not acceptable.

If you aren't sure what you're saying, then be more careful. If you do know then you deserve the points.

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Ok got to admit am a huge lee fan, he got me into martial arts. But, clearly if you take Bruce straight from 1973 and chucked him in the mma ring/octagon he would probly get smashed - taken down and schooled. But think if bruce had been alive he would have loved the whole mma scene, he always talking about no styles, learn everything etc.
Also give him some time (you know if he wasnt dead) - no denying he had incredible speed and natural ability, crazy flexibility and a great work ethic and from the tales of his street fighting fighting days he could take a punch too. Just a thought that had bruce been alive today and had the benefits of the evolution of mma behind him he probly would have done pretty good in mma if he trained in it.
Know this subject been done a few times but still like to put 2 cents in.
I agree with this it makes a good point. A great fighter is a great fighter and he wouldve learned and adapted.

He was extremely clever, i think the person that eluded to machida and cung le was on the right track. I wonder if the people who are so adamant about him getting smashed actually know anything about him.
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