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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 09-29-2008, 06:54 AM Thread Starter
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Fedor's Myths and Facts


This article contains no opinions (aside from those myths), only facts with proof and information on where and how you can check these things to be true.

The author is a big fan of UFC, Pride, and everything in between, from Kimbo to Rickson Gracie to Randy Couture and everyone else with the heart and guts to step into the cage or ring. There is no bias in this article!

Myth No. 1

Fedor doesn't (want to) fight top competition.


The top competition doesn't (want to) fight Fedor.


Josh Barnett is on video turning down the Fedor fight. You can view it on YouTube. Real Deal press conference (after the fights) Josh says he is beat up and tired to fight Fedor next, yet he does fight Nog (No. 2 in the world) instead...So, I guess he wasn't THAT tired.

Randy Couture tells us in his own press conference (YouTube) that he was offered $3 million to fight Fedor in Bodog, but chose instead to take $300k (10 times less money) to re-sign with UFC to fight Tim Sylvia.

Werdum stated on the front page of Pride website: "I'm not ready for the likes of Fedor."

Mirko Cro Cop stated, on his own website after the 2006 GP: "I will not take the Fedor fight now, due to my foot injury." (Notice that Cro Cop had no problem fighting lesser opponents WITH his foot injury, nor did Cro Cop have a problem fighting Fedor when Fedor's hand was broken...)

Need more proof? Listen to the wise words of Wanderlei Silva: "NOBODY wants to fight Fedor."

Myth No. 2

Fedor is afraid of the UFC.


UFC is afraid of Fedor.


UFC president Dana White went on the record to confirm that Fedor's management offered the UFC to have Fedor fight there on several occasions. Dana turned it down, according to himself.If we use our heads a little bit here, we can clearly see that Dana White is not going to let his best fighter get beat up, and then let Fedor just leave the UFC...That would be a marketing disaster.

The ONLY way UFC will sign Fedor is if they can have him for at least 4 fights. And if he wins them all, he MUST re-sign again, and again, and again... He can NEVER leave undefeated unless he retires (Officialclausein the UFC proposed agreement, which Fedor rejected) Also, if Fedor loses one fight UFC has the right to tear up the contract! (UFC standard offer is two lost fights, not one). This is unacceptable.

Think of it this way: if UFC is NOT afraid of Fedor, than why not let him fight Randy on a 1-time deal which Fedor has been asking for for years? (Notice! This would be in a cage, under UFC rules)

(Hint: because Dana White (UFC president) knows Fedor will most likely win and leave, ruining UFC's image)

Myth No. 3

Fedor is afraid of the UFC's rules.


Fedor fought under UFC rules and won.


Fedor has already fought under UFC rules in USA (vs. Tim Sylvia). He did just fine.

Myth No. 4

Fedor uses steroids, because all Pride fighters do.


Fedor is clean.


Fedor was tested several times by the same commission, which tests UFC fighters, since Fedor has fought in USA twice. He came back clean every time, while several other Pride and UFC fighters did not.

Myth No. 5

Fedor fights middleweights.


Fedor fights heavyweights.


Matt Lindland was seven lbs. lighter than Fedor for their fight. He was therefore a heavyweight for that fight. According to Lindland, on radio Sherdog, size was NOT the reason he lost to Fedor, but it was Fedor's great skill.

Renato Babalu and Arona were heavyweights back then. They have SINCE changed weight classes, but at and around the time of their fights with Fedor they were heavyweights.

Myth No. 6

Fedor mostly fights freak shows.


Everyone fights freak shows. And some of them are not freak shows.


Nogueira (current UFC interim Heavyweight Champion, and former Pride Champion) fought Zulu as well.

If Hong Man Choi is a freak show, than so is Brock Lesnar. They have a similar record in MMA, similar background (national wrestling champions), similar level of opposition, etc.

Recently Dana White praised Nog for beating Bob Sapp whom he called "freak show" (Countdown to TUF, new season). So fighting Sapp is ok, and Choi is not?? Notice also that Choi has defeated Sapp in K1.

Myth No. 7

Fedor fights cans (weak fighters).


Fedor has fought more top-10 ranked fighters than anyone except Nogueira.


Guys that you don't know, and you see them on Fedor's record are his early fights, where he had to prove himself. He was unknown also, remember that! If you look at the record of any other top fighter, you will find cans on their records as well.

Some cans you see on Fedor's record EARNED the right to face him. Example: Ogawa was not chosen by Fedor to beat up on. Ogawa won his previous Pride 2004 GP fights and EARNED the right to face Fedor. There was nothing Fedor could have done about that.

Some cans you see on Fedor's record were not cans at the time of their fights with Fedor. Examples: That same Ogawa, besides being a four-time World Judo Champion and Olympic medalist, was bringing a 7-0 record to the Fedor fight.

Schilt went 1-1 vs. UFC's best in UFC. Coleman was ranked in the top-three at the time of their first fight, etc.

Nogueira was the No. 1 fighter in the entire MMA world at the time of his first fight with Fedor. Cro Cop was ranked No. 2 in the world for his title fight with Fedor. Herring was No. 3 back when he faced Fedor. Nogueira was No. 2 for his second fight with Fedor. Tim was No. 4, and Hunt was No. 9.

Myth No. 8

Fedor can't finish any top fighter.


Fedor finished three top fighters.


Tim Sylvia was ranked No. 4 in the world at the time of his fight with Fedor. Hunt was ranked No. 7, or No. 9 in the world, (depending on what rankings you look at). Coleman was in the top-three for their first fight (having only lost to Nog and nobody else) Fedor finished all three men in the first round.

Myth No. 9

Fedor has sloppy striking.


Fedor has the best striking in MMA.


How many fighters can you name (aside from Fedor) that have never been dropped, even to one knee, by any strike?

(Don't worry, I'll wait)

His defense in striking is astounding, as the above example shows. (Two other great strikers, B.J. Penn and Anderson Silva, may make a similar claim. Props to them.)

The "loopy" "sloppy" boxing you see from Fedor is the product of different technique used in MMA due to smaller gloves, wider stance, and different weight distribution (in order to defend or prepare/set-up takedowns). Fedor's "loopy" punches curve AROUND the small blocking MMA gloves, and hit their target anyways.


See fight with Goodridge: Gary puts up a standard boxing block with both hands, but unfortunately for him the gloves are not big enough to cover an area big enough, and Fedor's "loopy" shots hit Gary on the ear, temple and neck.

Another example:

See Tim Sylvia fight. Tim is prepared for Fedor's lightning-fast left hook. Tim is keeping his right hand as high as you'll ever see anyone do it. Fedor leaps in with that left hook again and... horror or horrors!!! The hook lands DESPITE Tim's hand being in the way. Fedor's small glove sneaks thru right next to Tim's small glove and Tim gets hurt. (The above explanations are from Fedor himself, who has elaborated on this topic during a recent master class which you can also see on youtube, but in Russian of course)

Boxing Champion Zab Judah was in attendance at Fedor's latest fight. He looked at Fedor's stand-up with awe and respect. Take Judah's word for it guys, he knows this stuff better than you and I.

Myth No. 10

Fedor is overrated.


Fedor is UNDERrated.


Don't take MY word for it guys! Here is what some top fighters and other people in the business have to say about him:

Quotes from people currently working for UFC (toeliminatebias and pro-Fedor hype)

"Fedor is the baddest mother-f_cker walking the planet."

-Joe Rogan, UFC commentator. (radio interview)

"Fedor is my favorite."

-BJ Penn, two-time UFC Champion. (NWFS 7/9/06)

"Fedor is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world aside from B.J. Penn, those two are the best fighters in the world."

-Rampage Jackson, former UFC title-holder (video Sherdog interview, whilepreparingfor rematch with Chuck Liddell)

"The best fighter in the world right now in heavyweight division is probably Fedor"

-Randy Couture, UFC Heavyweight Champion (UFC 74 postfight press conference, available on YouTube)

"Fedor is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, and I would pick him to beat Randy Couture. Randy is a great fighter, but my opinion—Fedor."

-Shogun, Pride GP Champion (cagetoday.com video interview, Aug. 31, 2008)


-GSP, UFC Champion (answering the question "Who is the best pfp fighter in the world?" on InsideMMA, September 2008)

Quotes by other top people in the business:

"I see no weaknesses in Fedor, he is the most amazing fighter I have ever seen."

-Bas Rutten, former UFC Champion and King of Pancrese.

"The best fighter to ever climb into any arena is Emelianenko Fedor, he is in a class by himself and you can't compare nobody"

-Kevin Randleman, former UFC Champion (available on YouTube)

"To beat Fedor, you would have to kill him twice, and then push him over"

-Nogueira, current UFC interim Heavyweight Champion and former PRIDE Heavyweight Champion (Gracie magazine interview, available on Wiki)

"Fedor is a machine."

-Don Frye, UFC tournament winner. (quote available on YouTube)

"Fedor is not human. He is definitely the best fighter on earth"

-Tim Sylvia, former UFC Champion (notice that Tim has fought Randy Couture, Nog, prime Ricco, and Arlovski three times. Tim knows what he is saying)

"Fedor is the s**t. His striking is amazing and his ground game is the best"

-Mark Hunt, K1 World Champion.

"Fedor is the best and greatest fighter and Martial Artist of all time"

-Chuck Norris, seven-time World Karate Champion and Judo and BJJ Black Belt (Sports-Express, December 2007 interview)

"Fedor has no equals."

-Aleksander Mikhailin, three-time World Judo Champion.

"The best fighter in the world, no doubt."

-Phil Baroni (Real Deal postfight press conference)

"I fought many tough guys around the world, but like him, never."

-Renato Babalu Sobral.

"Fedor... what can you say? He is just a monster!"

-John McCarthy, former head referee of the UFC (Affliction video interview following the event)

"He is the best"

-Mark Coleman, former UFC heavyweight champion and Pride GP Champion.

"He is the best pfp fighter in the world"

-Jeff Monson, ADCC Champion and UFC title contender.

"Fedor is every bit as good as people say he is, he is incredible,ridiculouslygood fighter, he fights with no fear."

-Pat Miletich, legendary coach of many top UFC superstars such as Matt Hughes. (Interview before Affliction, available on youtube by searching "Tim Sylvia talks about Fedor")
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 09-29-2008, 07:34 AM
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Everything you said was 100% opinion, your proof of fact was just a bunch of different opinions jumbled together.
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No just kidding it's all true, Fedor rocks, makes me want to learn Sambo to punch like that.
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Originally Posted by snakerattle79 View Post
Josh Barnett is on video turning down the Fedor fight. You can view it on YouTube. Real Deal press conference (after the fights) Josh says he is beat up and tired to fight Fedor next, yet he does fight Nog (No. 2 in the world) instead...So, I guess he wasn't THAT tired.

Randy Couture tells us in his own press conference (YouTube) that he was offered $3 million to fight Fedor in Bodog, but chose instead to take $300k (10 times less money) to re-sign with UFC to fight Tim Sylvia.
I guess the author just forgot to provide the links..?
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Im sorry, but that had to be one of the worse piece of sh*t i have ever seen to somehow try to prove Fedor is the best. I think out of all arguments and opinions, because thats what most of them are, not facts, a few only were valid.

It almosts gives arguments for the side of people thinking fedor is any of the "myth" you mentionned.

#1 = opinion

You have no idea what goes behind Randy Couture and the UFC's deal. You have no idea what were the exact term of the potential contract with Bodog were, or its length, or its implication, and same for the UFC. All we have is rumors, or statement made by angry organisations on not being able to settle a deal.

About Josh Barnett, if i remember correctly, it was more or less accurate, but he did have a 6 month brake or something like that before he fought Nog.

Moreover, he fought in the OWGP(where he fought Nog), and Fedor was supposed to fight in it. (Silva replaced him if i remember).

#2 = opinion

Same as #1, we have no idea what went on exactly, but we actually do a little more on this, since both camps wanted to come clean on why it didnt happen.

The UFC didnt want Fedor to fight in other organisations or any other fighting competition. Fedor wanted that in the contract, wanted to bring in other fighters for his team, etc. , the UFC refused for many different reasons, just search the articles, its plenty of details i dont remember.

The UFC doesnt want the UFC? Give me a break! Apart from him, the UFC took EVERY single top Pride fighters under contract, except a small number that the UFC either didnt want or that the fighters didnt want to join for different reasons.

Fedor = money cow. the UFC would of completed their monopoly of MMA with him, HDnet wouldnt exist, and Dream certainly wouldnt have that much exposure in NA without HDnet.

My opinion, it was just a power struggle, and the UFC didnt win(and in my opinion, Fedor's camp didnt either). Giving up so much to Fedor would incite any other top fighting legend or champion(like Randy.. for example) to demand much more afterwards. Yes, the UFC proposal was bs, but looking at what Cro Cop got paid and delivered, and considering at the time Fedor didnt fight for like 1 year or more, i wouldnt pay 500K a fight and let that payroll add up on other fights after a crap performance.. I think negocations just went really bad, and thats why both camps didnt really tried to negociate..

Why Fedor wasnt giving a 1 time fight with Randy? OF COURSE its because there is a risk Fedor will win, go home and leave no champion. And most experts agree Randy would get probably crushed by Fedor.

Has Pride let a guy like Matt Hughes, who was at the time the most dominating WW, fight their champ in any division once, then let him leave? It doesnt make sense for a well established MMA org to take that kind of risk.. HDnet can afford it, they need to take those risk to get exposure..

#3 = wtf?

I never heard of that before, but i guess its a valid point... Fedor doesnt use knees on the ground ever, and shit, if he can use elbows on top of his already crushing power..

#4 = opinion

Steroids debate have gone over and over, and tests are not always valid, ask Sean Sherk. We dont even know whats the real story behind it... he could of been on illegal substances, just like he may not have.

But in general, considering a lot of Pride fighters are in the UFC now, and none were tested positive, i think the Pride steroid myth was busted a long time ago. But again, im no expert on that matter, and most people arent here either.

#5 = never ever heard of that


What you said, but Hong man Choi has national wrestling background? Wow.. if thats true, its ridiculous!


What you said. But a top fighter 5 years ago is not the same as today.

#8 = never heard of that

#9 =opinion

has the best striking in MMA? define best. Also, being able to take a punch doesnt mean you are a great striker.. and to respond to your question : Mark Hunt. And if you say he has great striking..

There is a difference between striking power and techniques or just standing movements and footwork. having best striking is combination of all of that, and more that i didnt mention..

Is he effective standing? Shit yes. Is it sloppy? not really, but its wild striking for sure when hes confident. See fight vs CC, i dont think he threw one wild combination standing.

And i think Judah was more impressed by the fact that he almost KTFO the former UFC champion in less than 1 minute.

And you can argue all you want, its an opinion and also depends at Fedor today or when he was champion in Pride..

#10 = opinion

by definition, being overrated or underrated is an opinion.

Bottom line is, i think Fedor is the best fighter of all time, but thats just an opinion. You can refute other people's arguments of why he isnt with facts, but your argument doesnt become a fact afterwards.

Besides, You cant judge a fighter at the end of his career.. you cant say matt Hughes is shit because he keeps looking horrible in his last fights.

Same for Fedor, as time passes, that opinion of "fedor is the best ever" will become "fedor was the best ever in his prime". Has he passed his prime? Lets see his next fight.

Bring back knees strikes on grounded opponents.. Give me good arguments for not having them for crying out loud.


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Originally Posted by snakerattle79 View Post
Myth No. 9

Fedor has sloppy striking.


Fedor has the best striking in MMA.


How many fighters can you name (aside from Fedor) that have never been dropped, even to one knee, by any strike?

(Don't worry, I'll wait)
Fedor has good striking but i wouldn't call it the best in mma. I can name a fighter that has never been dropped or even rocked(Kazuyuki Fujita rocked fedor) and that is anderson silva.

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very opinoinated. decently truly but still oppiononated

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Hey split...you are correct. Fedor is the best, but bro that's not an opinion...it's a fact. Big John McCarthy " Fedor Emelianenko is absolutely the most dominant heavyweight ever to compete in Mixed Martial Arts". All the critics can't prove otherwise. The truth is the truth...bottom line. Who in MMA has a record of 28-1? NOBODY. Fedor stated he now has peaked, which is incredible since he's dominated everyone for years. I wanna see who can strip Fedor of the WAMMA belt. If they can do it, hats off to them. I don't see it happening soon at all. It's gonna take a special fighter to beat Fedor convincingly. Fedor made Tim Sylvia look like an amature in just 36 seconds, which was shocking. It took Randy Couture 5 rounds to dominate Tim. Fedor's mental game is the best. His expression never changes, which is proof that is mental toughness in unmatched. All the top MMA fighters regard Fedor as the very best, and their opinions mean the most. End of story.
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Fedor has sloppy striking? OMG I won't even waste my time commenting, that is pure stupidity.
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Fedor does get unfair criticism but that is because he is at the top. It happens to everyone who dominates their field. Tyson was unstoppable for a time but people denied his greatness. The same goes for Hulk Hogan who dominated for years and heard many critics

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