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Old 12-20-2008, 05:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Luckiest would have to be Matt Serra. lol
Absolutely... Good f*cking call. This ^^^^ is obvious by how badly GSP dominated him in the rematch. Vicious knees I tells ya.
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ya thats right, suck my damn dick. Forrest Griffin is a good fighter but he is lucky to be champ. Ninja was injured, and he got a lucky decision against rampage. If rampage gets a rematch he will murder him and everyone will see what should have happened the first time. If not that WAND will murder his ass... that is if Evans doesn't wrestle himself to a victory before hand.
Right... I'm not even gonna respond to that I'm just turning you red.

And I don't think it's fair to call Serra a "lucky" champ TBH. I'm not a really a fan of his and yeah it was kinda shitty how he got his shot but BJ, Sherk, Brock, Randy etc all got shots they didn't really deserve but still won the belt fair and square, (or should I say fairly squarely?), just like Serra.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Right... I'm not even gonna respond to that I'm just turning you red.

And I don't think it's fair to call Serra a "lucky" champ TBH. I'm not a really a fan of his and yeah it was kinda shitty how he got his shot but BJ, Sherk, Brock, Randy etc all got shots they didn't really deserve but still won the belt fair and square, (or should I say fairly squarely?), just like Serra.
I'm not saying he was lucky because he didn't deserve his shot. I'm saying he's lucky because he caught GSP (a far far better fighter) with a punch, and capitalized on it. It's lucky because he got that shot in on a far better fighter to get the belt.

Also, I said that the fact that it's lucky is evident by how badly he was beat by GSP in their second fight.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm not saying he was lucky because he didn't deserve his shot. I'm saying he's lucky because he caught GSP (a far far better fighter) with a punch, and capitalized on it. It's lucky because he got that shot in on a far better fighter to get the belt.

Also, I said that the fact that it's lucky is evident by how badly he was beat by GSP in their second fight.
There's no question that GSP's by far the better fighter in pretty much every aspect off MMA but Serra threw that punch, landed it and finished GSP and IMO you can't call that luck.

Coleman beating Shogun was luck, Serra beating GSP just isn't as far as I'm concerned. Hell I don't even like Serra but I think it's unfair on him that people call him lucky for winning that fight. He knew he was outmatched so came out swinging, he might have caught GSP on an off night but that's a part of the game. He planned on throwing some bombs and catching GSP early and thats exactly what he did, and finished him.
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Nah, Matt Serra wasnt lucky....he was just faster and more focused than GSP that go-around



LOL@ this thread.....Forrest didnt look too lucky against Jardine

Forrest is good, but something tells me he isnt consistent enough to hold on to that belt
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm curious what makes you believe Rampage would "murder" Forrest in a rematch?

I mean, logic would say, that if the fight was incredibly close, and Forrest did come out with a decision, then there wouldn't be much "murdering" going on.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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There's no question that GSP's by far the better fighter in pretty much every aspect off MMA but Serra threw that punch, landed it and finished GSP and IMO you can't call that luck.

Coleman beating Shogun was luck, Serra beating GSP just isn't as far as I'm concerned. Hell I don't even like Serra but I think it's unfair on him that people call him lucky for winning that fight. He knew he was outmatched so came out swinging, he might have caught GSP on an off night but that's a part of the game. He planned on throwing some bombs and catching GSP early and thats exactly what he did, and finished him.
Haha, it seems to me that you practically defined a lucky punch.

If I were to get a chance to fight say Chuck Liddell. I know that he would murder me. Therefore, my gameplan is to come out swinging, hoping to catch him with a perfect punch to drop him. By chance, I do it. According to your definition, that would not be a lucky punch, just... me being on, while chuck is having an off day????

I call a win lucky when the fighter that won is completely outmatched.

Let's put it this way. If Serra and GSP were to fight 10 times, how many do you think Serra would win? For me, it has to be 1 out of 10 (and the only reason I give him 1 is because he friggin did it). The odds aren't with him, therefore he was lucky.


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Basically, he didn't beat GSP because he is a superior fighter, he beat him by chance that a hard shot, would land at the right time.

Now, this doesn't apply to guys that are KO artists like Chucky because they train their striking through and through and have shown, through positive outcomes, that them getting a KO is not simply luck or chance. It is likely based upon their skills.

You can define it how you like, but when an inferior fighter beats a superior fighter with KO early on, it is luck in my book. They didn't dominate their opponent, they hit him with a great shot through luck/chance.
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Nah, Matt Serra wasnt lucky....he was just faster and more focused than GSP that go-around


LOL@ this thread.....Forrest didnt look too lucky against Jardine

Forrest is good, but something tells me he isnt consistent enough to hold on to that belt
Forrest is a totally different fighter now than he was when he fought Jardine. Forrest was still a brawler back then and he got caught by those ****** up punches Jardine throws.
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There is just absolutely no way that Griffin vs Jackson could have been won for Rampage. Griffin clearly won 3/5 and Rampage clearly won 2/5. Griffin wanted the win more, he worked harder, he pressed more action, and he was more aggressive. Griffin won, its not even debateable, some people are just stupid.
u think their was no way page won that fight!? cmon... it was a damn close fight
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u think their was no way page won that fight!? cmon... it was a damn close fight
It was close, BUT it had a clear winner. Even if by a couple points, Griffin clearly beat Jackson in a close fight.
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