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post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 12-28-2008, 07:11 PM
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what the hell are you talking about guy.. ya i guess dana should have completely revamped the UFC roster and signed everyone from pride.. He signed pride's top fighters.. most of whom turned out to be busts in one way or another. Do I think he should have certain other people? Of course, but did he not sign enough? Hell no you must be crazy. He brought in atleast 8-10 top Pride Fighers, and only 2 of them are making any noise right now.. that should tell you something

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This thread hurts my head, its not cause Pride died, Wandy and Nog got old and Rashad and Forrest grew up, fighters are always gonna clycle through, in 5 0r 10 years Forrest and Rashad will be on there way out and the new blood will be running all over it, this stupid opinion that Dana white killed MMA when he closed Pride is just mindless drivel. Go tell Chuck Lidell that Rashad isnt a "Real Fighter" go tell Rampage and Shogun that Forrest isnt "For Real" , pull your head out of your ass.

Dana White didnt ruin the sport as far as the sport in North America, Dana MADE the sport.




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post #13 of 45 (permalink) Old 12-28-2008, 07:13 PM
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yeah this is kind of like the civil war, south cannot accept the fact that they lost.
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there is SOOO much wrong with this post it makes my head spin.

first of all it IS DANA; fault for not signing Gomi/Arona/Hunt/Sergei/Aoki/etc because around the time PRIDE got bought those fighters were still on a contract with PRIDE and could've been bought to the UFC to fight and evantaully becoming champions in these american circuses you call 'Divisions'.

if 'isn't on dana' than why didn't he try to revive PRIDE and still make shows in the states or japan or ANYWHERE... Why let it die??? It makes no sence.

as a second thought i understend y dana didn't want to sign the rest of the pride fighters because the title holders would look like this now: hw: hunt/aleks lhw: arona/lil nog mw: kang / ww: aoki / lw: gomi.
I like the wayt you don't let the facts get in the way of your rant. Dana has said multiple times that he tried to get TV deal for Pride but was unable to.

He has also said that one of th problems with the Pride purhase is that despite shelling out big money he didn't get the contracts and ended up with a very expensive vido library.

I am no fan of the way tht Dana des business but if the people who ran pride had been able to make a profit during their golden age with all their stars then there would be no issue. However they could no do this. If you are gonna blame anyone blame the people who ran Pride into the ground.




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Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some of these fighters didn’t want to sign with the UFC? Just because they were under contract with PRIDE does not mean that the contract is transferable to new ownership!

Many fighters that fought in PRIDE and did well may not do as well with American rules. They will be drug tested, they cant kick/knee downed opponents, they cant do much of what they do in Japan and that doesn’t even take the CAGE into account! Maybe these fighters don’t want to fight in America!

Now on to your question “why let it die”?

There is a simple answer to that! It was dead before Zuffa/Dana bought it. The company was loosing money. So why continue on a track that was proven to be unsuccessful? Apparently the Japanese loved to go to fights, but didn’t love to spend the money needed to make the company profitable!

So then you say why not hold PRIDE events in America? That is a moot question. If you were to bring the PRIDE fights to America they would be bound to AMERICAN rules so there would be no advantage to doing so. There would, how ever, be a GREAT disadvantage. All PRIDE fights would be in direct competition with the UFC and there is no business that would ever compete with its self for market share and EVER hope to survive!

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It's not dana white's fault if fighters you thought were good in pride didn;t make it in ufc. it's just a question of whether you like a superleague (nfl, mlb, nhl, nba) or if you prefer soccer style of several top leagues that are comparable but not dominant. i'll use the eample of liverpool and you can use it as a metaphor for cro cop or henderson or wanderlai. they are one of the top 4 teams in england and they beat up on the crappy english teams., but if you combine english spanish german and french,leagues, all of a sudden some of the teams you thought were dominant are losing a lot more. personally, i like the top guys all fighting each other all the time. pretty much all the guys you metioned eihter haven;t fought or have lost fights to mediocre opposition since the demise of pride.

also it is not dana's fault if guys don;t wanna sign or get offered massive contracts by other orgs. i.e josh barnett. affliciton might go out of business by offering these contracts there is just no reason for dana to take losses on these guys who aren;t even neccesarily going to be fighting for a title.

if i were a fighter i would take a pay cut to come to ufc if i was that confident in my skills agaisnt top opposition because the amount of exposure you will get will surely pay dividens if you are in the fight game for the long run.
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there is SOOO much wrong with this post it makes my head spin.

first of all it IS DANA; fault for not signing Gomi/Arona/Hunt/Sergei/Aoki/etc because around the time PRIDE got bought those fighters were still on a contract with PRIDE and could've been bought to the UFC to fight and evantaully becoming champions in these american circuses you call 'Divisions'.

if 'isn't on dana' than why didn't he try to revive PRIDE and still make shows in the states or japan or ANYWHERE... Why let it die??? It makes no sence.

as a second thought i understend y dana didn't want to sign the rest of the pride fighters because the title holders would look like this now: hw: hunt/aleks lhw: arona/lil nog mw: kang / ww: aoki / lw: gomi.
1. Um why would dana sign gomi who just got destroyed by Diaz?
2. Kang is in the UFC, so thats a retarded point.
3. Lil Nog and Arona both got KTFO'd by Soky who has been absolute shit in the UFC, how the eff can they be title holders in the UFC if they didn't even have a title in PRIDE?!
4. Aoki is seriously overrated, his JJ is top notch but I don't see a well rounded game from him at all.
5. Hunt/Aleks, maybe, but neither would get past Nog, let alone Couture or Lesnar, not even taking into account Mir, Kongo, and Carwin.
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QFT on that one.

Gomi would be the #1 LW in the world if he was in ufc. sherk or bj cant stop him.
your saying the guy who just lost to Sergey Golyaev (who?) and alraedy lost to bj penn earlier in his career would be the number 1 lw in the world... seriously give up on life.
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OP fails to realise that a lot of these PRIDE fighters had their records padded by being put up against total can Japanese pro wrestlers.

Also, OP is a troll and must not be fed.
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1. Um why would dana sign gomi who just got destroyed by Diaz?
2. Kang is in the UFC, so thats a retarded point.
3. Lil Nog and Arona both got KTFO'd by Soky who has been absolute shit in the UFC, how the eff can they be title holders in the UFC if they didn't even have a title in PRIDE?!
4. Aoki is seriously overrated, his JJ is top notch but I don't see a well rounded game from him at all.
5. Hunt/Aleks, maybe, but neither would get past Nog, let alone Couture or Lesnar, not even taking into account Mir, Kongo, and Carwin.
1. Gomi didn't take Diaz seriously enough to actually FIGHT him, he gassed and basically let diaz hit him in the head with everything diaz had AND STILL was standing. Gomi hit him ONCE and almost KO'd diaz + look at his face after the fight.
2. Yeah about time they signed Kang. About TWO YEARS too late. Not to worry tho... he'll TKO Anderson and take that belt just as easy as Anderson did to Franklin.
3. True. BUT they still were Top fighters and potential contenders/champions for a division as stacked as the UFC LHW Division.
4. Aoki has IMO better technical striking than GSP/AJ and world class BJJ that NO ONE can counter.
5. Hunt would beat the Kongos/Lesnars but would lose to Nog or Werdum.
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