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Old 08-22-2009, 01:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i think that literally *most* of the UFC heavyweight division has a realistic shot against fedor, sure he is a great fighter, but he is totally over-rated and he only fights bums. he is also past his prime, i am interested to see if he can even hang in strikeforce
Um... Have you checked out the rest of the UFC Heavyweight division? Yeah, the best division in the world - imported from five years ago.

Get real.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:02 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Crocop, Nog, Dos Santos, Carwin, Velesquez, Gonzaga, Kongo, Herring

Name me one HW division in another organization that's better and list the fighters as well please.
Barnett, Overeem. Aleksander. Now what dude?
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The blind love for pride on this forum is astounding. Pride put on one hell of a show, but the competition level was lacking. Three of the top five heavyweights from pride have come to the ufc and not had tremendous success. Herring, Crocop, and Nog havent done anything special. Nog is two and one with a loss to Mir. Crocop has looked awful. Herring isnt even a gatekeeper. Heres another "quality" pride guy that came to the ufc and couldnt hack it, werdum. Hey, the "imported heavyweight division" isnt really doing so hott.

Barnett isnt worth a shit without roids, overreem hasnt beaten any worth a damn heavyweights. Alexander usually looks good, but he hasnt faced top competition in awhile.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:08 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Barnett isnt worth a shit without roids, overreem hasnt beaten any worth a damn heavyweights. Alexander usually looks good, but he hasnt faced top competition in awhile.
Yup, let's ignore the age, the difference between the ring and the cage and how well the older UFC fighters did in Pride and how badly the former UFC top HW that failed in the ring.

This is ******* insane dude. Hey, wanna sig bet me with Randy and Nog since them Pride fighters are so untalented?

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You named three fighters and only one in the top 10. Of the fighters I listed, 5-7 of them are in the top ten depending on which rankings you look at.

And there goes your argument.
LOL! Yup, when you only watch the UFC and the rankings in the top 10, how could you be wrong?! Dude, get ******* real, just because you haven;t heard of a bunch of top HWs doesn't mean they don;t exist. But wait, they aren't in the UFC!? They must suck!!12134321413 give me a break dude.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:11 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I can promise you that ive watched as many pride fights as ive watched ufc fights. The talent level is worlds apart. The facts pretty well speak for themselves.
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Pride is dead.

Most of their remaining talent is in the UFC, and they haven't being doing to well

Any conceivable way you look at it:

UFC >>>>>>>>>> Pride
How can I argue with "Pride's talent has gone to the UFC"? Besides that, M-1/Strikeforce....every top HW there would give any of the top 10 HWs in the UFC a ******* real hard timne.
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How can I argue with "Pride's talent has gone to the UFC"? Besides that, M-1/Strikeforce....every top HW there would give any of the top 10 HWs in the UFC a ******* real hard timne.
Pride is dead because its talent sucked....mmm-kayyyyy
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I dont know that I care where the talent came from, I do know that from top to bottom there is no heavyweight division with more depth.

I dont know why people keep bringing Barnett up, the guy doesn't even have a license, I seriously doubt he's ever going to fight in a sanctioned event in america again(sadly). Overeem's good, Id love to see him in the UFC but Aleksander is lacking and doesn't even make the top 15 of HW fighters by most accounts.

Regardless you're still cherrypicking the top of other promotions, lets compare heavyweight division to heavyweight division and I think you'll see that even with the holes it has the UFC is the most complete HW division in MMA.

You can rank Barnett if you want there is just no point to it IMO, Fedor and Overeem belong in the top ten but that leaves 7 fighters (IMO) from the UFC and as you move farther down the list its almost all UFC fighters. In the top 20 id say there are 8 non-ufc fighters and the only reason why this matters is for a fighter to move up or keep his ranking (if you're big on rankings) is to fight another ranked fighter.

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Rank Fighter % Promotion Last Rank
1 Fedor Emelianenko 100 M-1 Global 1
2 Brock Lesnar 94 UFC 5
3 Josh Barnett 92 ??? 2
4 Frank Mir 86 UFC 3
5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 83 UFC 4
6 Randy Couture 79 UFC 6
7 Shane Carwin 64 UFC 7
8 Brett Rogers 63 Strikeforce 8
9 Andrei Arlovski 58 Strikeforce 9
10 Alistair Overeem 56 Strikeforce 10
11 Cain Velasquez 43 UFC 11
12 Jeff Monson 37 Free Agent 12
13 Junior dos Santos 32 UFC 17
14 Fabricio Werdum 31 Strikeforce 14
15 Mirko Filipovic 28 UFC 13
16 Tim Sylvia 26 Adrenaline 15
17 Cheick Kongo 22 UFC 16
18 Ben Rothwell 21 UFC 19
19 Roy Nelson 20 UFC 24
20 Gegard Mousasi 19 Strikeforce 22
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings

IMO it's a monopoly and often works against fighters but thats life I guess.
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