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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-18-2009, 08:26 PM Thread Starter
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So after watching brock lesnar dominate the ufc HW division, and seeing that fedor is pretty much ducking him, i'm starting to think a big strong wrestler will always beat a more skilled fighter. Let's face it, I doubt anyone will be able to beat brock again. I think brock would beat any "skilled" HW boxer, BJJ black belt, muay thai fighter, karate person just due to his raw strength.

Think about people like matt hughes who was nothing more than a STRONG wrestler. Look how far he got. Look at even small fighters like Mike brown who's the strongest 145er ive seen in my life. He dominates because of his raw strength.

So basically what i'm saying is, in real life all the technique in the world sometimes will not help you in a fight. A big, ignorant wrestler who just works out all day can easily charge at you, take you down, and pummel you no matter how many years you trained a martial art.
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Man, I'm getting tired of this stuff. Since when is wrestling not a technique?

Oh, and Hughes has 18 submmission wins.
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To Paraphrase the op 'A person can often beat someone in a lower weight class - sometimes they are sort of in the same weight class, but not really.'

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You do know that theres something called wrestling right?

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So after watching brock lesnar dominate the ufc HW division, and seeing that fedor is pretty much ducking him, i'm starting to think a big strong wrestler will always beat a more skilled fighter. Let's face it, I doubt anyone will be able to beat brock again. I think brock would beat any "skilled" HW boxer, BJJ black belt, muay thai fighter, karate person just due to his raw strength.

Think about people like matt hughes who was nothing more than a STRONG wrestler. Look how far he got. Look at even small fighters like Mike brown who's the strongest 145er ive seen in my life. He dominates because of his raw strength.

So basically what i'm saying is, in real life all the technique in the world sometimes will not help you in a fight. A big, ignorant wrestler who just works out all day can easily charge at you, take you down, and pummel you no matter how many years you trained a martial art.
1) A Strong wrestler has advantages over other opponents, but we've seen time and again that, when a fighter relies solely on his wrestling, he is submitted by someone who practices brazilian jiu jitsu.

2) Raw strength also lends its advantages, no doubt, but Terry Martin is often described as one of the strongest men in mixed martial arts, and look how well that strength has done him.

3) And although having a solid base in wrestling will get someone far, the mma of today is far more well rounded and three-dimensional. So no, great strength in wrestling is not the be all end all of the sport.
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Man, I'm getting tired of this stuff. Since when is wrestling not a technique?

Oh, and Hughes has 18 submmission wins.
That will be enough making perfect sense thank you very much. Logic has no place on the interwebs good sir!

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haha in a match, this can be the case. in a real fight, wrestling is the most useless shit you will ever see. Why? Because if you manage to get a hold of me before I hit you in a fight I will have my fingers shoved into your eyes before you get me near the ground. Going to the ground in a real fight is a death sentence.



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Why don't you look up Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn, and get a taste for how much size matters. Thats UFC 4 I'm pretty sure
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They both have their advantages for sure. I dont think the question which one is more dominant? strengh or skill? will ever be solved. A killing machine would have pure strengths with outragious amount of skill.......Strength, power, and skill...oh my.

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post #10 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-26-2009, 01:22 AM
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You need both. Look at each and every UFC champion -- BJ, GSP, Anderson, Lyoto, Brock -- all of these men have strength and skill. Lots of skill. Without it, they wouldn't even be fighting for the promotion, let alone holding its belts.
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