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Old 06-01-2010, 02:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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True, but as you have seen in interviews with Dana about SF, he isn't exactly their biggest fan. So I doubt that will happen any time soon.
I hear ya...wishful thinking on my part!
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Just like in college wrestling D2 wrestler are just as good if not better than D1.
There might be exceptions because there always are, but as a blanket statement, that's like saying bowling balls are super sharp.

If D2 college wrestlers were "as good if not better then D1," they would... be in D1 Selective recruitment is the most prevalent from high school to college. Being the star of a championship high school football team doesn't matter as much to colleges as to what high school you're from in terms of historical reputation of that particular sports program and the difficulty of your season schedule. That's why in high school and even college, teams with better records can still be ranked lower then teams with more losses, but are competing with a superior crop of teams.

You're not making your point well, but I'm listening.
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Im not anti SF, but Dana isn't the only person pushing "the hype" of the UFC.

The entire time Fedor has been in SF, who has people wanted to see him fight more then Brock, OF THE UFC.

Shields and Diaz, both champions of SF want to fight GSP, OF THE UFC.

Aldo has already announced he'd like to face BJ, OF THE UFC.

The champions of SF aren't calling out other SF fighters, why? Lack of "top talent." If SF's talent pool is so strong, why are SF champions so eager to call out the top fighters IN THE UFC? Seriously, Nick has to go to Japan to find an interesting opponent, Shields left or is leaving, Aldo wants BJ Penn after a few title defenses and even Allister, as soon as he beat Rogers, who did everyone start measuring him up to apart from Fedor? The HW's in the UFC. I can almost guarantee Allister makes a push for the UFC in due time. Why? Not because SF is where all the competition is.
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look at the bright side SF are partners with DREAM and they have thier fair share of fighters, but the promotioning needs some work.
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look at the bright side SF are partners with DREAM and they have thier fair share of fighters, but the promotioning needs some work.


Jacare & Aldo are one of my favorite fighters.
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That's why in one way I wish MMA was like boxing, just have weight classifications and that's all, no UFCs, SFs, Dreams, just weight classes. Then we wouldn't have all of this bantering by guys like Dana about Fedor or any other up and coming fighter in another organization? I don't figure many of you will agree with me on this, just thought I'd put in my two cents, thanks for reading, bye.
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That's why in one way I wish MMA was like boxing, just have weight classifications and that's all, no UFCs, SFs, Dreams, just weight classes. Then we wouldn't have all of this bantering by guys like Dana about Fedor or any other up and coming fighter in another organization? I don't figure many of you will agree with me on this, just thought I'd put in my two cents, thanks for reading, bye.
I agree with you . When i first started watching mma i was really confused with the organization system .
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I don't believe the UFC hype machine is that big actually.
It's just a recognised fact that the UFC is the biggest MMA organisation on the planet. That's a fact. And i'd say, 80% of their fighters are the best in the world in their divisions, if you would make some rankings that were to include all the fighters in the world.
Maybe one day...there will be an MMA World Championship, that will decide who the best is...but for me, those chances are under 5%, so...let's dream on.
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:05 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I amazes me how many so called MMA fans are just in fact UFC fans, UFC has spead the message that they are the only worthy organisation promoting the sport, which backed by the fact that they to have the majority of best fighter, tho be it not all the best fighters like they would have you believe, there marketing is very successful at brain washing idiots into believing there hype machine.

Its amazing also the number of so called MMA fans who dont seem to want to see the sport grow, they just want to see the UFC grow and take over all the worlds MMA.

the UFC hype machine is a disease to the sport, the sport needed the boost that it gave to come so far but now its held back from the greed of the UFC claiming all the credit and wanting to be the only company to benefit from the growth of the sport.

Eventually other companies like SF and Dream will grow and work together for the good of the sport and if they UFC dont learn to play along its them that will suffer, the first signs are there with them been unable to host some big fights thanks to lack of co-promotion, as the other grow and continue to co-promote, the relationship between, Strikeforce Dream and M-1 will progress and become established and the UFC will be left behind. I hope then when the UFC wants to play that none of them want to play with the UFC under the dick of a chairman they have with Dana White.
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:53 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Eventually other companies like SF and Dream will grow and work together for the good of the sport and if they UFC dont learn to play along its them that will suffer, the first signs are there with them been unable to host some big fights thanks to lack of co-promotion, as the other grow and continue to co-promote, the relationship between, Strikeforce Dream and M-1 will progress and become established and the UFC will be left behind. I hope then when the UFC wants to play that none of them want to play with the UFC under the dick of a chairman they have with Dana White.
I'm sorry, but that's a big NO! What i've just marked with bold characters: that will never happen.
1. I don't believe in the UFC hype. It's just a proven fact they are the biggest organisation out there, they host the most events, make the most money, they are the most recognised organisation in MMA, they've made some huge efforts and succeded on legalizing MMA in numerous states, they are the one who have taken an event to Asia/Abu Dhabi or to Australia and sold it in 30 minutes and the list can continue.
2. the UFC is no charity organisation. Of course they want to make big fights "for the good of the sport", but that doesn't mean at every cost (i'm talking about the Fedor situation of course). White (which i am not a fan of btw), the Fertitas, Zuffa have worked hard to bring the UFC where it is today, and i don't think it would have been a wise move to let M-1 co-promote alongside them. It's like this: they've turned UFC into a multi-million dollar business, and after that, someone (Finkelstein) wants to join in!! well...NO.
3. Strikeforce and Dream co-promote because they have to. If you look at them separately you will see they don't have enough established fighters to make it on their own. SF will most likely lose their champion who will go to the UFC. Why is that?
4. M-1 needs somekind of co-promotion or call it whatever you like it: they have 2 solid fighters: Fedor & Mousassi, and one of them (Mousassi) doesn't look that great after fighting King Mo. On it's own, M-1 will dissapear in 1 year.
5. The UFC just took control of WEC. In the near future, they will eliminate the LW division and incorporate it in the UFC. And i can almost make a bet, in about 2 years time, maybe quicker, the UFC will have a featherweight and bantamweight division, and WEC will just be a proving ground for young up and comers, let's call it a trambuline for the UFC.

SF, Dream, Sengoku, Bellator, MFC and others will continue to exist and make good fights. They will co-promote and offer free fights.
But for everything that counts, the UFC will just become bigger and bigger. They will expand, they will eventually organise events in Japan (another bet of mine), they will go to South America (Brazil), expand thru Europe...and they will continue to dominate the MMA world.
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