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Old 06-20-2010, 08:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Jon Jones fights at 205. So none of us knows if he really cuts 35 pounds to make weight. I doupt that! GSP however is a big WW who should already fight at MW. He walks around at 195. He could easily fight Jones at 205 comfortably without a problem.

He doesn't have a ten inch reach advantage either. Maybe 7 or 6 but not 10. Plus the better striker normally wins the striking even if the other guy has a reach advanatge. I consider George to be the more techincal striker here with much much more experience. Jones throws wild strange punches whether GSP picks his spots and beats up elite Strikers like Alves. Jones even went to the ground with Hammil.. who is not known for good striking at all!

GSP is a black belt in BJJ. Has Jones already reached a blue belt level at least? It didn't looked like it in the Vera fight..

Do you remember when BJ fought Lyoto? Size doesn't matter that much if you have experince on your side!

Plus GSP is the by many considered to be the best p4p fighter in the World. You earn yourself that spot. You can't put Jones in here and tell me he would just ragdoll him.. thats pretty silly.
Jones cuts from 220, but has a frame of a fighter who can easily bulk to 235. GSP is a 182ish(according to him) who looks as if he's completely filled out. And he knows this, as he refuses to move up.

And yes, it is..10.5 actually. More problems with your arguments, you make things up. GSP's so called experienced striking didn't save him when he got tapped on the chin by a leprechaun, and Jones, being much bigger, would literally break his face.

LOL, at mentioning GSP's basic BJJ. It was on full display in the Hardy fight I suppose.

And yes, I do remember, Lyoto won the fight very easily, because BJ had no business in the ring with him.

It's not silly, it's silly to suggest that a fight who can throw around legitimate LHW would struggle with a welterweight. Retarded actually. And a total non-sequitur argument.
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well I see.. a intelligent debate is not possible anymore. So I tap out

Just for the record..

GSP's reach is 76.0 in (193 cm).

Jones reach is 84.5 in (215 cm).

So lets count this one quickly. *Bobby Picks up his calculator from the table* ;D

76.0
84.5
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8.5

10.5..8.5..10.5..

Another record.

GSP is a respected BJJ Black Belt!

Jones no not now.. maybe someday, but not now
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Well I see.. a intelligent debate is not possible anymore. So I tap out

Just for the record..

GSP's reach is 76.0 in (193 cm).

Jones reach is 84.5 in (215 cm).

So lets count this one quickly. *Bobby Picks up his calculator from the table* ;D

76.0
84.5
=
8.5

10.5..8.5..10.5..

Another record.

GSP is a respected BJJ Black Belt!

Jones no not now.. maybe someday, but not now

GSP's reach is 74 inches. I suppose you are going by the latest tale of the tape, which is wrong, unless freakishly, GSP's arms grew 2 inches. For his career, his reach has been 74. The measurements were probably just off. Doesn't surprise me, the measurers are known to suck.

And no, GSP is a black belt just like Rashad is a black belt, they have the belt but it'd be a miracle to see them actually sub someone. Besides a bunch of transitions, all GSP had to offer Hardy was a bunch of admittedly sloppy attempts that weren't even done correctly.
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Anyone who thinks GSP could even compete in a fight is insane it would be the equivalent of Rashad fighting Brock.
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And no, GSP is a black belt just like Rashad is a black belt, they have the belt but it'd be a miracle to see them actually sub someone. Besides a bunch of transitions, all GSP had to offer Hardy was a bunch of admittedly sloppy attempts that weren't even done correctly.
I agree that GSP needs to tighten up his BJJ. I do however disagree with you assuming that either him or Rashad for that matter, were gifted blackbelts. GSP received his brown belt under Renzo Gracie in '06, then he legitimately received his black belt under Bruno Fernandez in '08. Yes, his BJJ was fairly sloppy against Hardy, but it wasn't completely incorrect. The arm bar he lost when Hardy rolled. It only look so wrong because he held it to keep Hardy from coming out on top. The kimura was almost there, he didn't suck it up like he should have, but more than that, he just released it because he's too much of a nice guy. The way he had was still finishable, he just chose not to. I'm not gonna make any argument for Rashad's legit black belt because there's no point. But GSP is legit. You don't remember the 2008 Fighters Only submission of the year. I know everybody here hates Matt Hughes, but he is a legit black belt level submission grappler. And GSP not only schooled him with superior wrestling, but also many BJJ exclusive transitions, then finished him with one of the quickest armbars ever.
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GSP's reach is 74 inches. I suppose you are going by the latest tale of the tape, which is wrong, unless freakishly, GSP's arms grew 2 inches. For his career, his reach has been 74. The measurements were probably just off. Doesn't surprise me, the measurers are known to suck.

And no, GSP is a black belt just like Rashad is a black belt, they have the belt but it'd be a miracle to see them actually sub someone. Besides a bunch of transitions, all GSP had to offer Hardy was a bunch of admittedly sloppy attempts that weren't even done correctly.
Well that means we got two numbers here and none of us knows wich one are correct. It isn't that important anyway cause George is years ahead in the striking department.

And GSP is a very very legit Blackbelt! He earned his Blackbelt under the best BJJ practitioners in the World. One called the master of BJJ himself Renzo Gracie. It took GSP years and years.. just like every other Blackbelt out there. That it doesn't always work out in a fight is just normal.

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Anyone who thinks GSP could even compete in a fight is insane it would be the equivalent of Rashad fighting Brock.
Lol guys thats just ridiculous!!! Again the best example I can give you guys is when BJ Penn ( yes the lighweight actually Featherweight fighter BJ Penn) took on Lyoto Machida ( a HW fighter at that time and we all know what Machida has become since then) and fought him to a very very close decision. That was a demonstration on how much worth experience and skill is. Plus BJ wasn't even used to fighting inside a Ring. Lyoto however fought his entire early career in a Ring.
BJ was know as one of the greatest fighters in the World at that time. Lyoto was a unkown fighter from Brazil with amazing potential and talent. Just like Jones just like GSP!

If you truly believe GSP can not even even compete with Jones then well yes, you are delusional.. AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

There is no aspect where Jones has an advanatge other then size and MAYBE but just MAYBE Wrestling. We all know how great GSP is in that aspect too. So Jones is outclassed in every aspect here. The only thing he has going for him is his size advantage and reach. Maybe athleticism.. but even there we all know what a freaking athlet GSP is.

It's just silly to say something like that to a number 1 p4p fighter! Size matters yes. It doesn't matter that much.
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Well that means we got two numbers here and none of us knows wich one are correct. It isn't that important anyway cause George is years ahead in the striking department.

And GSP is a very very legit Blackbelt! He earned his Blackbelt under the best BJJ practitioners in the World. One called the master of BJJ himself Renzo Gracie. It took GSP years and years.. just like every other Blackbelt out there. That it doesn't always work out in a fight is just normal.



Lol guys thats just ridiculous!!! Again the best example I can give you guys is when BJ Penn ( yes the lighweight actually Featherweight fighter BJ Penn) took on Lyoto Machida ( a HW fighter at that time and we all know what Machida has become since then) and fought him to a very very close decision. That was a demonstration on how much worth experience and skill is. Plus BJ wasn't even used to fighting inside a Ring. Lyoto however fought his entire early career in a Ring.
BJ was know as one of the greatest fighters in the World at that time. Lyoto was a unkown fighter from Brazil with amazing potential and talent. Just like Jones just like GSP!

If you truly believe GSP can not even even compete with Jones then well yes, you are delusional.. AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

There is no aspect where Jones has an advanatge other then size and MAYBE but just MAYBE Wrestling. We all know how great GSP is in that aspect too. So Jones is outclassed in every aspect here. The only thing he has going for him is his size advantage and reach. Maybe athleticism.. but even there we all know what a freaking athlet GSP is.

It's just silly to say something like that to a number 1 p4p fighter! Size matters yes. It doesn't matter that much.
No, fat BJ boxing Machida is not equivalent. First of all BJ was only at a 4 inch reach disadvantage GSP would have a 10 inch disadvantage and is dwarfed in height and muscle mass a lot more than BJ was. You can't dive in with superman punches on a guy who can land a punch 10 inches before you. Size does matter a great deal also in grappling when you are both skilled. Bones ragdoll dominated Hamill a wrestler who is far bigger and stronger than GSP. He would run through GSP in the first round it wouldn't even be close.
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Bones really would destroy him look at the size and reach he's basically a heavyweight, His size would let him be able to handle GSP he'd probably throw him and beat the shit out of him
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