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post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-07-2010, 09:55 AM
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As I said "despite his foot in mouth disease." When you put a camera and microphone in his face he becomes an instant idiot. He's trying to market himself and fights and he's just plain bad at it. That's not his fault. Dana came to him and said I need you to sell this shit at a time when neither one of them had a clue how to do it. If nothing else, give him credit for teaching younger fighters what NOT to do or say.
But once you take away his "foot in mouth disease" he has nothing. The only reason he is in the UFC is because people like to hear him run his mouth for some reason and he has done a lot for the UFC in the past. His mouth is what made a name for himself.


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But once you take away his "foot in mouth disease" he has nothing. The only reason he is in the UFC is because people like to hear him run his mouth for some reason and he has done a lot for the UFC in the past. His mouth is what made a name for himself.
well... that and winning 6 championship fights in a row. And being one of the best gnp'ers of all time. There was quite a strech when everyone in mma new that if they had Tito in their guard they were screwed. You could argue that Fedor was better and I think the new most feared gnp'er will be jones, but there aren't many others who can compare with his effectiveness from the guard.

He's 0-3-1 in his last 4 fights. Against 4 champions. Can anyone name a fighter who has had 4 better opponents in a row recently?

Tito would completely own the lhw division in any other organisation. I used to think Dan would beat him, after his performance against Shields, ...not so much.

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As far as going for a title shot goes I don't think Tito is relevant anymore, however that doesn't mean he can't still put on some awesome fights. He still has some awesome ground and pound skills and against some fighters we will get to see that. I don't think we get to see enough of Tito because it seems like his fights are continuously nixed due to injuries.
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I don't think he would own the Strikeforce division at all. you have King Mo, Mousasi, and Feijao sitting up there at the top right now and I don't see Ortiz beating any of them.

Yes in the past he got big when he was the champ but the only reason people still think he is relevant is because of his mouth. The point is that he is lucky to be in the UFC based on his performance.


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He's 0-3-1 in his last 4 fights. Against 4 champions. Can anyone name a fighter who has had 4 better opponents in a row recently?
Forrest is 3-2
Shogun is 2-2
Franklin is 2-2
Machida is 2-1
Aoki is 3-1
excluding Jardine Jackson is 4-2
excluding Jardine Wanderlei went 0-5
excluding Bonnar Coleman is 1-4
Brock's on a 3-0 kick against Mir, Couture, and Carwin
Faber 7 of his last 9 have been against champions he's 7-2

And then you have guy who have had runs in the past like Dan Henderson Vitor Belfort and Georges St. Pierre they all did it during Tito's 0-3-1 run.
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Yes! Despite his foot in mouth disease and all of his bad decisions Tito is actually a great guy. He's done more in and for the sport than he gets credit for. I was never a fan when he was on top and watching Frank beat him is still one of my favorite fights ever. I wish he got more respect than he gets now, he really did raise the pay scale bar for all ufc fighters. And he made a fair poster boy when the ufc was desperate for marketable faces. All of the hate he gets now is Karma for the whole T-shirt and grave digger routine (bad decisions) and I definitely think he is one of those people who should never have a microphone in his face. However, he's done well with the tools he was given and the upbringing he had.



Never thought I'd be the one defending Tito but, somebody needs to. He deserves it.

I love what he has done for the sport in the past, but there comes a point no matter who you are, where you need to win fights or quit talking like you are the best in the world.


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its interesting to look back to when tito was "the face of the ufc", that he was to some extent fighting easier fights to stay the champion because he was the face of the company. He fought guys like elvis sinocec, evan tanner, ken shamrock, etc and it was chuck liddell actually fighting the tougher guys in the division. Its funny cause dana white actually admits to it aswell...
I think tito was important to the ufc and mma in america, but not as important as he thinks he was/is.
Tito would do quite well in strikeforce tho... apart from henderson and feijao, i think he would do some serious damage. He wouldnt have to contend with the likes os franklin, rampage, machida, evans, shogun, griffin etc...
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Tito Ortiz.... Once the face of the ufc. Now, he is an afterthought. In the division he once ruled, he finds himself clearly out of the top 10, strugging for relevance. He has an upcoming fight with matt hamill, and surely Tito will be telling anyone who is listening (or not listening) that he is 100% and ready to dominate once again on his way back to the title...
But this begs the question... Does anybody care about seeing Tito at the Elite ends of the division? Can he compete? What matchups are out there for him?
Id love to see him in the octagon against maybe a Rich Franklin, Jon Jones or maybe even Brandon Vera..
But if he cant get past Hamill, maybe his time is up?
In my opinion Tito's career is a great example of picking the right fights in order to progress through the ranks and be successful. Kudos to his handlers in the beginning. With Tito you have a somewhat charasmatic individual who draws attention so what they did is put him in the ring with people that he could beat. It worked, but he's been on the decline after he fought Chuck the first time. He's a good wrestler but his stand up is quite lacking. If he get's in there with another wrestler he could do quite well. I question his desire and hunger at this stage.

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His "handler" was dana white and his strategy was stay out of the heavyweight division.
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