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Old 10-06-2010, 08:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's a double edged sword really. For the fighters, I guess it makes sense that they'd want to fight as often as possible, taking on the best of the competition outside the UFC across all organisations and to get the chance to sell their name to different audiences. However, for the actual organisations it doesn't make a lot of sense. Take DREAM for example. Their big cash cow and poster boy is Shinya Aoki. They sign a deal to send him over to Strikeforce, hoping he'd come back to Japan with the SF LW title and secure a big 1-up on American MMA. That didn't happen though; Aoki was outclassed, and now DREAM and Japanese MMA look inferior to Strikeforce and American MMA. How did that possibly help DREAM in any way?
In return they get to use Mousasi and Diaz in there shows, and who knows maybe one day the will get to see a Aoki vs Melendez rematch on there turf for the Dream LW title which would be huge, and I am sure that using these US based fighters draws bigger international audiences from fans of these fighters from outside Japan. besides I personally respect Dream and SF for having the balls to play there top fighters against each other unlike the UFC who ***** out for that exact reason.

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Why would any company be happy for their fighters to put any marketing work they've put into them in jeopardy by travelling around the world fighting guys from other organisations? Sure, if they win then it looks great, but if you've been hyping up a title contender and then he goes across to Japan and gets whooped, it's going to be hard to convince fans to get behind that hype again. There's also the issue of potential injuries, which could damage any plans 1 company could have been having for a certain fighter. It makes perfect business sense for the UFC to sign their fighters to exclusive contracts, and the only reason Strikeforce don't do it isn't because they're super ethical and are working for the fighters, it's because if they brought exclusive contracts in, then guys would just leave for the big show. Opening their fighters up for fights in Japan is a USP which could tempt guys in; the non-exclusivity and willingness to co-promote certainly helped them secure Fedor's signature for example. However, if Strikeforce are going to be around for the long-term, then exclusive contracts will have to be brought in. You can't have fighters for a big company (which is I'm sure what Strikeforce are striving to become) travelling around the world putting their reputation and health at risk fighting for another company. It might make sense from a fighters point of view, but in a business sense, exclusive contracts are definitely the way to go.

As for the exclusive contracts being the reason for 'new talent' not signing for the UFC, I don't agree. Even if the UFC had non-exclusive contracts Fedor wouldn't have signed, as the UFC were not willing to bow to M-1 and co-promote. It wasn't in the UFC's best interests to co-promote with M-1 and so Fedor went to a company that would. Then with Jacare, the reason he's now fighting for SF is largely due to their deal with DREAM. He was a DREAM fighter, so it made sense for him to transition to Strikeforce. He wasn't exactly well known, or a big draw at that point either, so it's understandable that the UFC didn't join the battle for him. I'm sure if he came on the market now they'd want him though. Then with Noons, I guess the exclusivity of the contracts does play a part here, as he will have wanted to Box outside of MMA, which the UFC obviously wouldn't allow. So of the 3 examples, only 1 joined a rival company due to the exclusivity of the contracts.

Who have the UFC signed in the last year or so? Roy Nelson, Charles Oliveira, Gilbert Yvel, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Takanori Gomi, Jake Ellenberger, Vladimir Matyushenko, Paul Daley, Vitor Belfort, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Phil Davis, Claude Patrick, Cyrille Diabate, Rory MacDonald, Lucio Linhares, Matt Mitrione, Fabricio Camoes, Jacob Volkmann, Ben Rothwell, Frank Trigg, Phil Baroni, Kimbo Slice, Gerald Harris, Mario Miranda, Daniel Roberts, Duane Ludwig, Jake Shields, Karo Parisyan, Sean McCorkle, Mark Hunt, James Toney, Brendan Schaub, Paul Sass, Tom Blackedge, Kurt Warburton, Rob Broughton, Alexander Gustafsson, Antonio McKee, Igor Pokrajac, Darren Elkins, Gabe Ruediger, Edson Barboza, Fabio Maldonado, Travis Browne, Christian Morecraft, Seth Petruzelli, Tito Ortiz and Court McGee. All those guys have made their debuts for/returned to the UFC in the last 12 months or so. There might not be a wealth of huge names in there, but that's a lot of fighters and there are a lot of guys in that list that have put on some great fights. Just because they didn't sign Fedor doesn't mean they haven't signed some excellent fighters and genuinely boosted the roster.
You could probably wind that list down to a simple 2 or 3 that will actually benefit from been in the UFC and go far with the organisation, and talent wise I would argue that SF has 3 of the top 5 singing from that entire list, Oliveira and Shields been the exceptions and for the record there are a few fighters in that list I would sooner see on the circuit Morecraft for one Yvel is another to name a few, and many of the fighters you named have been with the UFC much longer than a year, and a year is all I am counting because its when the circuit really started to grow with SF leading the way with there new TV contract, any time before then the UFC was obviously the only place where fighters would of been given the required coverage to get decent sponsorship, but now a lot has chanced in the last year with the circuit offering an increased number of PPV events and TV deals so the appeal would have grown elsewhere also and will continue to do so.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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In return they get to use Mousasi and Diaz in there shows, and who knows maybe one day the will get to see a Aoki vs Melendez rematch on there turf for the Dream LW title which would be huge, and I am sure that using these US based fighters draws bigger international audiences from fans of these fighters from outside Japan. besides I personally respect Dream and SF for having the balls to play there top fighters against each other unlike the UFC who ***** out for that exact reason.
It's nothing to do with *****ing out, it's just smart business sense. Why would you want to threaten the marketability and health of your biggest name fighters just to allow some guy from another organisation to come in and fight? For fighters like Overeem, Noons and Fedor signing for Strikeforce makes sense, as they have more freedom in their contract, but for guys like Aoki, fighting Melendez in Japan is only going to hurt his rep. He hasn't improved from their last fight, and is going to get beat up again. How does that help him, or DREAM?


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You could probably wind that list down to a simple 2 or 3 that will actually benefit from been in the UFC and go far with the organisation, and talent wise I would argue that SF has 3 of the top 5 singing from that entire list, Oliveira and Shields been the exceptions and for the record there are a few fighters in that list I would sooner see on the circuit Morecraft for one Yvel is another to name a few, and many of the fighters you named have been with the UFC much longer than a year, and a year is all I am counting because its when the circuit really started to grow with SF leading the way with there new TV contract, any time before then the UFC was obviously the only place where fighters would of been given the required coverage to get decent sponsorship, but now a lot has chanced in the last year with the circuit offering an increased number of PPV events and TV deals so the appeal would have grown elsewhere also and will continue to do so.
They've only been fighting for the UFC for a year though, that's what I considered. Going by the date they signed would have taken forever to compile. These are guys that have made their UFC debuts/returns in the last 12-14 months, and there is a lot of talent there. I'm sure Strikeforce would rather see them on the circuit too, which is exactly why the UFC has signed them. They're good fighters that the UFC consider to have potential to make it big, so signed them.

There are some very good fighters there that would have been very good additions to any other roster in the world, but the UFC was smart enough to get them in. Guys like Jake Shields, Charles Oliveira, Paul Daley, Phil Davis, Roy Nelson, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Roy Nelson, Karo Parisyan, Rory MacDonald, Vladamir Matyushenko, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Takanori Gomi, Gilbert Yvel, Jake Ellenberger and Antonio McKee are all very, very good fighters that have definitely added to the UFC roster. It's not like they've signed no-one of any note since Strikeforce gained in popularity. They're still the big company, and the one the large majority of fighters want to sign for.
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