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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 11-08-2010, 07:28 PM
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I'm not sure. His biggest problem is mental. His physique is extreme and as long as he could put pressure on his opponents with his physical dominance he did well, but as soon as he got under pressure he lost his composure completely and that's something which is really hard to fix. In addition his loss to Velasquez (and also his performance against Carwin) destroyed the intimidating image of the "unstoppable beast" which was also a "weapon" not to be underestimated against his opponents.
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I am a bit too stoned to write a well thought out response. However, I will say just seeing the title of this thread made me shake my head.

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"fighting is 90% mental" ... i don't agree.
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I don't think Brock is done at all... but I don't think he'll be a champion until he improves his striking and his confidence.

I also see a big change in Brock before and after his illness. He was better when he was an a$$hole. This whole kinder and gentle Brock seems to be a pu$$y. Nobody would like to get hit in the face by Carwin or Cain... but Brock never ran away like that before.
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Brock don't look like the same fighter anymore. His cooky confident approatch he had before his illnes is no more and he dosn't seem to belive in what he does. He has turned into a humble Fedor-alike-guy who keep it quiet and just fight. This isn't who Brock really is. Brock is a monster and a freak of nature but he dosn't seems to belive that himself anymore. If Brock don't step it up mentally I would say he is done as a fighter since fighting is 90% mental.

What do you think about Brocks future will he once again spread fear among the UFC heavyweights or will he become more of a gatekeeper or what do you think? Also what would Brock need to find that old confidence he once had? Should he visit a psychiatrist or is it more gym/fight training he need? Share your thoughts.
I've been saying even prior to the Velasquez fight, Brock is not the same person.

His striking had been deteriorating in every fight sadly, but his mentality is now not at all optimal.

His body language is all wrong.

Quite frankly, I don't think he even wants to fight anymore.

I think he wants to hang out with his family, hunt, travel, and work as a fighter only part time.

I don't know what motivates Brock at this point but it's not MMA fighting.
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Is it wrong for me to assume the OP watched WWE considering he somehow equates being civil in front of a camera with "not believing in himself".

Brock was told to stop with the outlandish WWE drama in and out of the octagon because it is bad for the organization. Brock is exactly the same fighter he always was; when things are going his way he is strong, aggressive, and confident. As soon as things turn the slightest bit sour he crumbles.

People keep assuming Brocks drop in performance has something to do with his illness/ or change in his mentality. Perhaps he is just fighting better fighters? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


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"fighting is 90% mental" ... i don't agree.
"fighting is 90% half-mental"

but seriously fighting is 100% mental,it's your mind that tells you to get out of bed in the morning and to go that extra distance in training.


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Is it wrong for me to assume the OP watched WWE considering he somehow equates being civil in front of a camera with "not believing in himself".

Brock was told to stop with the outlandish WWE drama in and out of the octagon because it is bad for the organization. Brock is exactly the same fighter he always was; when things are going his way he is strong, aggressive, and confident. As soon as things turn the slightest bit sour he crumbles.

People keep assuming Brocks drop in performance has something to do with his illness/ or change in his mentality. Perhaps he is just fighting better fighters? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
No, he is a VERY different person AND a very different fighter.

He faced a very serious illness and is clearly sobered by it.

On the other hand, his timidity in striking is not quite a 180, but very different from what we saw in his 4 UFC fights prior to his long layoff.

In his first 4 fights, he didn't back up at all. He stood toe to toe and exchanged, usually coming out ahead.

In his last two fights, he runs for the hills at the slightest contact.

These are two different people.
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No, he is a VERY different person AND a very different fighter.

He faced a very serious illness and is clearly sobered by it.

On the other hand, his timidity in striking is not quite a 180, but very different from what we saw in his 4 UFC fights prior to his long layoff.

In his first 4 fights, he didn't back up at all. He stood toe to toe and exchanged, usually coming out ahead.

In his last two fights, he runs for the hills at the slightest contact.

These are two different people.
Dude his first 4 fights were against Herring, Couture, Murr, and Min Sook (or somthing).

Clearly he did not have anything to be afraid of in the stand up department vs Mir. Couture has barely ever shown punching power worth considering (most of the time if he is putting you in danger froms trikes he is on top of you). Herring is another submission fighter.

His last two fights were against a knockout wrecking ball in Carwin, who probably hits harder than anyone in the UFC, and Cain who finished every single opponent he had via strikes except one.

Seriously your argument, and anyone else who thinks Brock has "changed" since the illness, is nothing but pure speculation. You have absolutely no evidence or logic to back up why you think that other than a perceived difference in performance that is actually a result of him fighting strikers (crazy talk!).

What makes more sense given what we know? That Brocks illness made him become a timid fighter, or that he didn't want to strike with strikers.

A wrestler who didn't wanna strike with two guys that have been koing there opponents left and right and instead wanted to wrestle? Ya your right...must have been getting sick...


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In my opinion brock is just plain and simply not a striker, at all. I'm sure he will work on his striking and he should, but I really don't think we will ever see him evolve as a striker. When I see brock trying to exchange I see someone who is not at all comfortable with what they are doing and who is trying to get their opponent just off base enough to get a takedown.

I have honestly not seen a worse striker who wore a belt in the new UFC era. I think trying to become a better striker would be a waste of time for brock but he should bring in some top strikers so he can work on his defense and closing the distance for a takedown instead of running like a little bitch.
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