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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 11-09-2010, 11:20 AM
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i hate these threads.... Same shit after a fighter kicks ass for years then finally loses....

So ONCE AGAIN! NO ITS NOT OVER FOR BROCK AS A FIGHTER....

HE IS YOUNG IN THE SPORT AND IS LEARNING EACH DAY...

AND TO SAY SOMEONE IS GOING TO PERFORM THERE BEST EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY FIGHT, IS NOT ONLY RETARDED TO THINK, BUT ANNOYING TO REPEAT

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post #22 of 32 (permalink) Old 11-09-2010, 11:42 AM
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I didn't state my opinion on the actual thread title so I just want to say that brock is definitely not done as a fighter, but he needs to learn to to counter(whether with a takedown or a strike) or he will be sooner rather than later.
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Cain is just so damn good that's how he makes people look. Brock is amazing, just not in comparison to Cain.
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Why do sports fans only have short term memories one fight old?

Couture knocked down Sylvia within seconds of the first round, and Herring battered Nogueira, knocking him down on several occasions.

Mur nearly KO'ed Kongo, and dropped Lesnar with a knee.

All of those guys are capable of finishing fights standing, or at least of showing tremendous power.

Brock stood in the pocket and exchanged with all of them without any sign of timidity (at least until Mur II), yet against Carwin and Cain, he ran for the hills.

These are two different fighters (Brock I and Brock II) with clearly different mentalities and proclivities.

It's almost as if Brock has been replaced.

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Dude his first 4 fights were against Herring, Couture, Murr, and Min Sook (or somthing).

Clearly he did not have anything to be afraid of in the stand up department vs Mir. Couture has barely ever shown punching power worth considering (most of the time if he is putting you in danger froms trikes he is on top of you). Herring is another submission fighter.

His last two fights were against a knockout wrecking ball in Carwin, who probably hits harder than anyone in the UFC, and Cain who finished every single opponent he had via strikes except one.

Seriously your argument, and anyone else who thinks Brock has "changed" since the illness, is nothing but pure speculation. You have absolutely no evidence or logic to back up why you think that other than a perceived difference in performance that is actually a result of him fighting strikers (crazy talk!).

What makes more sense given what we know? That Brocks illness made him become a timid fighter, or that he didn't want to strike with strikers.

A wrestler who didn't wanna strike with two guys that have been koing there opponents left and right and instead wanted to wrestle? Ya your right...must have been getting sick...
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We're an ADHD society in general. Actors are only respected as their last movie, Music Entertainers are only as hot as their last album and fighters are only as good as their last fight.

The ADHD is only different in mainstream sports because of all the trading that goes on, so you never know with a new season. Especially in the NFL, where the worst performing teams get first dibs to next years' top prospects.
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Why do sports fans only have short term memories one fight old?

Couture knocked down Sylvia within seconds of the first round, and Herring battered Nogueira, knocking him down on several occasions.

Mur nearly KO'ed Kongo, and dropped Lesnar with a knee.

All of those guys are capable of finishing fights standing, or at least of showing tremendous power.

Brock stood in the pocket and exchanged with all of them without any sign of timidity (at least until Mur II), yet against Carwin and Cain, he ran for the hills.

These are two different fighters (Brock I and Brock II) with clearly different mentalities and proclivities.

It's almost as if Brock has been replaced.
Clearly all of them are "dangerous strikers", but name one relevant heavyweight that doesn't have at least "dangerous" power. My point is that Cain and Carwin have literally finished every fight (except one from Cain) via strikes. In the case of Carwin everything in the first round.

Think about it. Clearly the game plan in both the Cain and the especially the Carwin fight was to avoid the stand-up game at all cost. I doubt very much Brock or his coaches were as worried about Couture, Herring, or Mir knocking out Brock out. In comparison you have the absolute assurance when facing both Carwin and Cain that a first round KO or TKO is a very real possibility, just from their track records.

My memory may be short, but in this case my opinion is based on the factual track records of the fighters. I think Brock is a smart fighter and was willing to do anything he could, even turn and run, to avoid getting tkod. His bread and butter is wrestling, why would he wanna stand and strike with "KO artists" of the HW div?


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You're really distorting the facts. Cain's list of early opponents was embarrassing to the extreme.

Also, Cain was dropped twice by Kongo. Cain is not a KO artist. He's not even close. Where do you get such an impression? He's a ground n pounder. He KO'ed Nogueira, but Nogueira's strategy is to get dropped every fight and pull you into guard.

Nogueira has worse defense than Jenna Jameson's...nvm

Carwin does have tremendous power.
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brock is not done but i think the longer he doesnt have the belt the harder it will be for him to get it back

the way the sport is evolving there is only guna be more well rounded giants... guys who were young when the ufc got big and decided to do mma instead of other sports. have the whole world to choose from too!

he has to improve his weaknesses rapidly. he will be atleast top 5-10 for a long time tho. he is still a freak

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brock is not done but i think the longer he doesnt have the belt the harder it will be for him to get it back

the way the sport is evolving there is only guna be more well rounded giants... guys who were young when the ufc got big and decided to do mma instead of other sports. have the whole world to choose from too!

he has to improve his weaknesses rapidly. he will be atleast top 5-10 for a long time tho. he is still a freak
I'm not convinced Brock is a fighter. He's a beast, but he's made it clear he only wants to do this part time (i.e., fight twice a year at most).

Mentally, he's just not into it. He doesn't like getting hit, and he doesn't want to fight frequently.

Brock will be back in the WWE within 2 years. There's too much money sitting on the table.
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I'm not convinced Brock is a fighter. He's a beast, but he's made it clear he only wants to do this part time (i.e., fight twice a year at most).
TO be fair brock had a serious illness that kept him out of the mix for a year, and his other long layoff was because Zuffa brass wanted to save the unifying HW title fight for UFC 100 which was 8 months away. but he did fight 3 times in 9 months upon arriving in the ufc for the first time, and only took a 4 month break between carwin and cain which isn't really excessive at all.

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