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Old 12-02-2010, 04:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I've grown to like Fitch and enjoy his fights... Simply because people boo him and s**t all over the effort that goes into fighting the way he does, it ain't easy!

I'm also learning to appreciate the technicality of wrestling, which makes it much better
not only that, but look at the guys transistions, while he still maintains control of world class fighters, they are superb.

he is not exactly a lay and pray type of guy. He is always advancing his positions. But te one thing he lacks, is explosiveness, the kind that surprises his opponents. he doesnt seem like a "natural" athlete, but more like one who wasntc all that talented, but would keep going and going and going. The lack of explosiveness, could well be, the reason he doesnt finish many fights.

people just have to accept, that fighters have different styles, that all bring something different to the table. some are more aggressive, while others are not and im sure the more entertaining guys, are getting rewarded for their effort, with a bit more on the paycheck.

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Old 12-02-2010, 06:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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So, at the end all that bla bla bla and you (op) didn´t explain why "Jon Fitch may be the most important person in UFC!
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Have you not noticed UFC's recent obsession of freak shows and their ever more sliding towards WWE? Fitch is such an important figure these days after Danas rant about people not putting on shows should be cut. If we want UFC to become WWE then fine, don't support Fitch. But if you want MMA to be a sport about skills and not just about who can act then show your support for Jon Fitch.
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Old 12-02-2010, 07:16 AM   #23 (permalink)
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ok well here is the thing about him winning and his decision wins, he fought someone with better wrestling in GSP, the verdict? he got his ass kicked for 5 rounds and did not want to wake up the next day, now if he fights shields who may have better wrestling than him, or bj penn at 127 who has pretty good TDD and has an active guard the style wont work for him and he will get beaten with his formula, i do respect his win/loss ratio though and his good wrestling
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Have you not noticed UFC's recent obsession of freak shows and their ever more sliding towards WWE? Fitch is such an important figure these days after Danas rant about people not putting on shows should be cut. If we want UFC to become WWE then fine, don't support Fitch. But if you want MMA to be a sport about skills and not just about who can act then show your support for Jon Fitch.
FACT WWE is fake
Fact MMA is not

end that silly rant
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Old 12-02-2010, 07:21 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I didn't get the reason of him might being the most important fighter in the UFC.
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Jon Fitch..

The guy is 23 Wins, 3 losses and 1 no contest as of now. The guy keeps winning and winning when will he stop? However he does this in a way that most people find boring. Decisions.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:14 PM   #26 (permalink)
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How is Fitch anymore important then anyone else with his VERY similar fighting style? The more boring the fighter, the more virtuous his discipline? Cause Shields is neck & neck on that red belt LnP.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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You know there's a saying.

It's not about winning...IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU WIN!

Sure he's a solid fighter, but one thing I can't stand are people who fight just to win.
Actually, you're completely wrong.
At the end of the day, all that matters are results.

Think of it from a corporate perspective.
You have two guys/girls vying for an executive position.
On one side, you have someone who is attractive, outgoing, likable, and good with people. On the other hand, this person had okay grades, an okay understanding of what he/she will be required to do, and will probobly do just an average job overall.
On the other side, you have someone who isn't that attractive, is pretty quiet, a little reclusive and doesn't have the best people skills. However, this person had top-notch grades, has incredible reccomendations, a great understanding of what they will be required to do, and, and will probobly do a great job of legitimizing your company.

Which one do you prefer? The guy that looks good in a suit and has good social skills, or the guy who will do a top-notch job and do wonders for the company?

I know that this analogy is sort of confusing when related to MMA, but it's pretty simple.

Guys like...Let's say Kimbo fall into category number one. Yeah, they're charismatic, entertaining, and put asses in seats.

Guys like Fitch fall into category number two. Not charismatic, disinterested in hyping a fight, but they're top-notch at what they do, and legitimize the sport of MMA.

Dana needs to decide which guy he needs to hire.

If he goes with option number one, yeah, there will be some shows put on, and all the fight cards will be fun to watch. It will probobly also resemble WWE more, with lots of pre-fight talk, drama, etc. While it will be alot more fun to watch, the sport will gain many new critics who will still claim that MMA is not a sport and just something for a bunch of drunken country losers to watch.

If he goes with number two, yeah the fights won't be as exciting, and there will be little to no "pre-fight entertainment" as I'll call it. However, Dana will have the worlds top athletes, the best in the world all competing against eachother. MMA would robobly be legit, and recognized as more of a mainstream sport.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:31 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Sadly, you are the prime example of why this thread is right. People piss me off with their bitching and compaining about Fitch, he is a mixed martial artist doing what they are paid to do, win.
Fitch himself has admited that alot of potential is being wasted by his inability to finish fights. He is working even harder on his offensive jitsu game now and I am really looking forward to see Fitch in 1-2 years.

No denying Fitch's skills and he really is the #2 WW, but if #2 WW goes to decision even against guys outside top 10 constantly, there is a problem. His last non-decision win was over 3 years ago, and its not like he has fought only against top 5 welterweights either.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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exactly this is mma not a wrestling hugging hold you down match that fitch seems to always do to get a win. Hes boring as hell. i prefer watching demian maia and hes work of art on the ground.
Some day people like you will learn. BJJ is not the only artful form of grappling. If you could understand what Fitch was doing on the ground, the technique he is employing and the amount of shit that's actually going on when he's just "boring wrestling hugging hold you down fighting," as you so elequently put, you'd see that what he's doing requires massive level of talent. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Bjj, I practice it, I'm a brown belt and I HATE wrestling as a style, I just don't agree with many of it's philosophies. But the fact that you and many others who seem to think the same way still call what Jon does wrestling kind of highlights what I'm saying. Jon is NOT a wrestler. What he's doing is grappling, both BJJ and Wrestling mixed with striking for MMA, at an EXTREMELY high level. He is far, far more than just a wrestler.
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If Jon Fitch had some Sonnen juice, he'd be GSP.
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