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post #31 of 62 (permalink) Old 03-18-2007, 07:37 PM
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Diego has better cardio than Tito. Diego just doesn't stop, and seems to get better as the rounds go by.

That being said, I still think GSP will beat him if they fought. Diego has arguably better cardio(GSP's been able to dismantle his opponents with ease so far, so it's hard to tell. The Penn didn't show me much), but GSP has better striking, great TD defense(Come on, Hughes just didn't try to stand with GSP in their second fight), and is better at bullying people around in the octagon. Oh, and GSP is a lot stronger. I think Diego will last all 5 rounds, but I don't see him defeating St. Pierre.

That is taking nothing away from Diego, as I can see him showing the naysayers that he belongs in there by lasting 5 rounds with the champ.
this I can agree with. He might not win but I don't think he will lose convincingly or horribly. But in the 2nd Hughes fight, he only tried 2 takedowns, and he didn't put nearly as much effort into them as he has in the past. Watch it again, 2 weak attempts, the rest was Hughes thinking he could KO him.
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No, you underrate him hardcore. Because of his personality and the fact that he was on TUF.


ive never said anything like that and i dont think anything like that.

I dont under-rate diego, i analyze his skills compared to other fighters skills to think about who should take the win.thats it.



for example, bj penn who i think could beat matt hughes and give gsp a very hard time. despite his two recent losses.

I think if bj penn fougth diego that would be a competitive fight that bj would end with a sub or crazy ko or diego would win by grinding out a decision.

I consider bj penn more impressive then hughes and a more dangerous fighter than gsp.

yet becasue of how there styles matchup i could see diego possibly getting the win.
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Here's what I'm trying to say:

Diego and GSP's standup seem equal to me. Diego has more power, but GSP has better accuracy and speed. Diego drops people with one shot, GSP has to pepper his opponents Nick Diaz style before they fall.

If GSP takes Diego down, I don't see him doing enough damage to end the fight

If Diego takes GSP down, I feel the same. But I think he can do just as much damage as GSP can.

Diego has a slight edge in cardio, but it all depends on how they each fight to determine who will gas first.

I think the only advantage other than cardio Diego has is motivation. The reason I think Diego will either barely lose or win is because of the motivation factor. I saw what it did for GSP, and Diego has twice as much as GSP did, so I can see it benefitting him a lot when they fight, maybe enough to eke out a decision.

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ive never said anything like that and i dont think anything like that.

I dont under-rate diego, i analyze his skills compared to other fighters skills to think about who should take the win.thats it.



for example, bj penn who i think could beat matt hughes and give gsp a very hard time. despite his two recent losses.

I think if bj penn fougth diego that would be a competitive fight that bj would end with a sub or crazy ko or diego would win by grinding out a decision.

I consider bj penn more impressive then hughes and a more dangerous fighter than gsp.

yet becasue of how there styles matchup i could see diego possibly getting the win.
OK I understand you now. I just needed an explanation as to why you think I'm wrong. You were just disagreeing with me before but not really explaining why you think I was wrong.

I also agree that Diego is a bad matchup for BJ mainly because of his toughness, and cardio. But I also think Diego is a bad matchup for GSP at this point, and I explained why in the post above this one.
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I think Diego Sanchez is a legitimate threat to St. Pierre's reign. That guy is improving at a constant rate that it is scary, and this is coming from someone who is not the biggest Sanchez fan.

But honestly, I do not think he has the skills to beat St. Pierre at the moment. I am not saying that he does not deserve a title shot, but if he did, I think he would lose to St. Pierre.

In the stand up, I believe St. Pierre is much more technical and although he does not have heavy hands, he still knocks down his opponents and then finishes them off.

The only KO power we have seen from Sanchez is with his fight with Riggs (which Riggs instantly stood up from but then met an unfortunate end with an incoming knee). I give the edge in striking to St. Pierre until I see what Sanchez can do after training with Oscar de la Hoya in his next fight.

[Although at the same time, we never really seen St. Pierre's chin tested because he is very good at protecting himself (aside from that Penn fight). It is hard to tell whether if St. Pierre can take a shot.]

As for conditioning, I think they are equal. I personally thought that Sanchez was gassed (a bit) during his fight with Parisyan but he dug deep to finish the fight. St. Pierre has never really been tested in his conditioning so I cannot really comment.

Wrestling-wise, St. Pierre has the advantage (mainly due to his strength) but Sanchez is no slouch either. The slight edge goes to St. Pierre for just being more powerful but Sanchez is also very active on the ground.

For jiu-jutsu skills, they are both equal. Now I agree that Sanchez probably has more motivation than St. Pierre now (after he has won the belt) and is probably training more efficiently as well. I would give the intangibles to Sanchez on this one.

This fight will probably be a war if/when it happens. I would make a call after watching Sanchez's fight with Koscheck and St. Pierre's performance against Hughes in the rubber match (assuming he gets by Serra).

Edit: Yeah, I realize that was a long read. I also forgot to mention that I think it is bs that Koscheck gets a "free" title shot if he happens to beat Sanchez when Sanchez has done way more than Koscheck has. Pure bs ...

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I dont put diego even close to the same level as gsp right now.

I hope he proves me wrong because i dont see any competition that has has a good chance to beat gsp

id like too see someone beat gsp's ass actually.

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i dont think diego has the skills to beat GSP right now and ill let u know why.

1. I honestly have not seen anything to show me that diego's striking is as good as you think it is. He dropped riggs but riggs was not knocked out and did get up right away before he got hit by a knee. This KO power you talk about has no merit behind it. The only guy Diego has ever KO'd while standing is riggs and it was with a knee. GSP's striking is far superior and more technical. If you look at their histories, GSP has dropped and KO'd more people while standing than Diego.

2. Your argument that GSP doesnt do any damage after he takes someone down also has no merit. For this i recommend you go look at GSP vs Sean Sherk, GSP vs Mayhem, GSP vs Karo. If you watch those fights i would not even need to explain myself
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i dont think diego has the skills to beat GSP right now and ill let u know why.

1. I honestly have not seen anything to show me that diego's striking is as good as you think it is. He dropped riggs but riggs was not knocked out and did get up right away before he got hit by a knee. This KO power you talk about has no merit behind it. The only guy Diego has ever KO'd while standing is riggs and it was with a knee. GSP's striking is far superior and more technical. If you look at their histories, GSP has dropped and KO'd more people while standing than Diego.
The Riggs fight, he dropped Karo in the first round with one single shot, he dropped Diaz a couple times if I remember right. I shouldn't say KO power. He has the ability to knock his opponent down with one single punch, something GSP cannot do.

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2. Your argument that GSP doesnt do any damage after he takes someone down also has no merit. For this i recommend you go look at GSP vs Sean Sherk, GSP vs Mayhem, GSP vs Karo. If you watch those fights i would not even need to explain myself
Whoa wait a second...when did I say GSP doesn't do any damage in the GnP department? Never said that. I said Diego's GnP is just as good as GSP's, maybe a little bit better because of how relentless and aggressive he is, but not by much. GSP is also a lot bigger physically, so I think their GnP would be about equal considering Diego doesn't have the massive size advantage GSP does, but he still is one of the best GnPers in the MMA game. Watch his fights with Diaz, Gassaway, Florian, basically all of them except Riggs.

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Some interesting thoughts. This would either be one hella war or one short and fast paced fight.

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Would you consider Hughes being 'dropped' by a punch in the end of the first round of GSP - Hughes II?

Also, watch the GSP - Jay Heiron fight for more examples.

In both of the above examples, GSP 'rocked' his opponent more than Diego vs. Riggs
Watch Riggs' eyes, you can tell all the lights are on.

GSP also has the whole kicking game that adds to his overall striking ability.
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