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Old 03-15-2011, 03:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tito Ortiz has the worst stand up in all of MMA

This is a topic that has been on my mind for some time.

A lot of people talk about a mythical thing called "MMA experience" and how old school fighters who have been in the business a long time supposedly have an "advantage" over new school fighters.

In the case of Tito, his experience would seem to work against him, as he would seem to have lost every stand up battle he has waged throughout his career.

Why is Tito's stand up so horrible in comparison to other fighters -- even newer fighters like Mark Hamil? And, is experience really the advantage that some say it is?

If experience really were valuable wouldn't Tito's stand up be god-like by now & wouldn't he be punching fools through the fence of the octagon and winning every fight via KO/TKO as opposed to having every new name in the business outstrike him?

What do you fellas think?
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Matt Hamill... and ya Tito is a terrible striker. Don't know if he's the worst, but experience doesn't necessarily mean you get better at a certain discipline.

Some people are born with better co-ordination than others. Plain and simple.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree that experience is highly overrated on this forum.

Everyone always keeps claiming some guy "isn't ready" for the champ/top level even after a dozen fights and then get all worked up when their godlike legend gets his ass handed to him in the first round by a younger, faster, more evolved fighter with better technique.

People don't realize how fast experience starts to plateau and later even decline your skill level. It's not like some World of Warcraft where a guy who's been playing a couple of months more than you will keep on adding XP points, always be 10 levels ahead and kick your ass.

Fedor won the Pride HW belt at 27. GSP won the UFC WW belt at 25. Mike Tyson decimated the world's top boxers and became champ at age 20. BJ Penn won the world BJJ championship at age 20, Tito himself won the LHW belt at 25, Shogun won the MW GP at age 23, and Wanderlei won the PRIDE MW belt at 25 after maniacally stomping through dozens of the "experienced" fighters when he was aged 20-25.

If anything, the odds are stacked heavily against the experienced fighters with their years of injuries and higher probabilities of stagnation and unevolved skillsets. Guys like Anderson Silva are the exception, which is what makes him so great (I'll admit that in spite of my general dislike for his attitude)

Yeah a guy all wired up from being in his third pro fight might scare himself silly, get overeager, or gas himself out from the adrenaline dump, but after a few fights it's all about the skills and strengths, experience is overrated as far as MMA is concerned.
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hunger > experience

and not only in MMA, a young, barely known fighter with the will to make it, but not only the will, the need also, leaving everything in jeopardy to pursue a dream, will have a bigger heart, learn better, work harder than most champs sitting on a throne of million dollars, who don't really have to fight through life.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Gonna have to go with Rashad Evans. Where are ya Spoken...haha. I kid...I kid. Although his striking is over-rated.

Hmm...lets see in the UFC it could be Renzo. He got outstruck by a sub par striker in Hughes. It was leg kicks of all things to boot. Renzo is dope, but I'm being honest.

I would say Brock too, although he did knock down Herring and Couture. His striking just looks clumsy.

As for Tito he's actually probably doing the best out of all the old schoolers; Ken, Frank, Chuck, Tank, Big Nog, with the exception of Wand, Vitor, and Randy whom experienced a bit of a resurgence late in their career. All the former guys mentioned have been KOed...badly. Tito somehow is resistant to this. It's an anomaly.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:55 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Tito actually has pretty good form. He just doesn't have the natural speed or power to compete with the best.

I don't think the worst striker in mma would have gone the distance with Machida.

Also, I would take Tito in a boxing match against anyone who ever trained at Hammer House.
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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He isn't exactly a stand-up sensation but i wouldn't say he has the worst stand up in all of MMA.
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