Insane: who would turndown several millions as their mma debut in the ufc - Page 4 - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
MMA Smacktalk MMA Smacktalk is for all the cheering, jeering, and smack-talking that you want. This is the stuff that isn't appropriate for the MMA Discussion forum. Rules are light, so if you don't have a sense of humor, then don't go here!

Reply

Old 04-28-2011, 02:38 AM   #31 (permalink)
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,225
IronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A Baller
When he was young, I would have loved to see Kurt Angle attempt to make the crossover. Really, anyone who is an Olympic caliber wrestler who wants a career as an MMA fighter should be considered a serious potential talent. Those guys are phenomenal athletes, and certainly anyone who wins an Olympic gold medal in a sport like wrestling should be taken very, very seriously.

That said, Kurt is not young. He is not fresh out of the Olympics, a young guy who has time to learn the skills and employ the full scope of his athleticism as a serious MMA fighter.

I'm sure he's still in very good shape, but after a pretty serious history of neck injuries and a well-known history of performance-enhancing drug abuse, it's hard to see Angle competing. He's older, he would have to learn a lot of skills in a very short period of time and he isn't in his athletic prime.

Of course, I could be wrong. I am often skeptical of guys like this. I was, and am, skeptical of Herschel Walker (though much less than I am of Angle; Walker seems to me to be a much more versatile athlete and despite his medical history much more suited for MMA at this point in his life) and the older guys who have discussed crossing over.

That said, I don't think that Angle will ever cross over. I would love for him to fight Daniel Puder. But, realistically, Puder would destroy Kurt Angle in MMA (or submission grappling, for that matter) given that Puder is (a) much younger, (b) in much better shape, (c) has much more training and (d) has more experience in full contact and submission grappling situations. It's too bad, though, that the fight won't happen. I think it would be a fun draw and I would enjoy seeing Puder's performance.
__________________


Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 04-28-2011, 02:43 AM   #32 (permalink)
"Focus"
 
Life B Ez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 8,642
Life B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings System
IronMan is 100% spot on, as always.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_DeLarge_V2 View Post
Just curious but what makes you say he would never make the transition? Not today where the guy is older, has had surgeries, body beaten down, I mean earlier in time. What makes you say this?

Hate to break the fickle MMA fans around the world, but MMA fighters aren't a "special" breed. Just about anyone who wants to do it can get up, train it, and do it. Just because the guy is a professional wrestler doesn't make him inferior to the almighty MMA world.
There is no way to say who can and can't make the transition, it's purely a mental thing. I'm told quiet a bit I should consider fighting, but I just can't do it. I have enough skills, I believe, to be a quality fighter but it's just not for me. I however have trained with very good fighters that don't have any of the pure skills I've seen from non-fighters, but they can win and can lose and keep going because it's what they want. Fighting is NOT a hobbie.

So yes, Angle at a time had a great foundation to get into MMA but to say he could have or couldn't have made it is impossible to tell. Look at Brock, sure he has the skills to win(As we've seen) but if you can't get hit you can't fight. There are just too many factors to call it black and white whether Angle would have made it.
__________________
Think. It Ain't Illegal Yet
"Discipline Hurts Less Than Regret"
Life B Ez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2011, 04:37 AM   #33 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
METALLICA_RULES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 664
METALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant future
I don't blame him for going to pro wrestling though. Wrestling was at the height of its popularity when he joined and MMA was a sinking ship. Now it's kinda the opposite.
METALLICA_RULES is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2011, 04:31 PM   #34 (permalink)
"Focus"
 
Life B Ez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 8,642
Life B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings SystemLife B Ez Is Beyond A Rankings System
Quote:
Originally Posted by METALLICA_RULES View Post
I don't blame him for going to pro wrestling though. Wrestling was at the height of its popularity when he joined and MMA was a sinking ship. Now it's kinda the opposite.
I'm no wrestling fan, but it is hardly a sinking ship. It's no where near where MMA once was. Wrestling is just influx right now, it's happened several times over the history of the WWE. It lacks great wrestlers and big names, it just needs to restock and it will be back. While it's true it will most likely be harder to do that because a lot of would be wrestlers are going to MMA it will still happen. The WWE is not going bankrupt any time soon, it still makes a lot of money. But boxing is having the same problem, while it's more promoters that have killed the sport, they are always having a harder and harder time finding new fighters for the same reason. But either way, neither is going anywhere any time soon, because there are always people who will want to box or wrestle over MMA, the same way people chose to get into MMA when it was dying.
__________________
Think. It Ain't Illegal Yet
"Discipline Hurts Less Than Regret"
Life B Ez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2011, 05:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
Amatuer
 
Alex_DeLarge_V2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 110
Alex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to allAlex_DeLarge_V2 is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by Life B Ez View Post
So yes, Angle at a time had a great foundation to get into MMA but to say he could have or couldn't have made it is impossible to tell. Look at Brock, sure he has the skills to win(As we've seen) but if you can't get hit you can't fight. There are just too many factors to call it black and white whether Angle would have made it.
I'm not saying whether he would or wouldn't have made it. It's these people that know for a fact he wouldn't be able to cut it when that's a complete horse shit thing to say.

Not only would Angle have had a great pedigree to start out with, but if he did train MMA in his prime, you're talking about one of the most established college and olympic wrestlers in history AND not to mention a hard nose son of a bitch. He won gold medals with a broken neck for crying out loud. If that doesn't say he would have had the mental capacity to train MMA, I don't know what would. Doing that with a broken neck is tougher than anything Jeremy Stephens does on a regular basis.

I'm not saying he would have been the greatest fighter of all time or even get to the UFC level, but damn if he had the potential.

Last edited by Alex_DeLarge_V2 : 04-28-2011 at 05:41 PM.
Alex_DeLarge_V2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios