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Old 06-19-2011, 02:37 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Barnett is a catch wrestler and Fedor is from Sambo and doesn't train BJJ at all because he thinks it is the same thing. Neither of them qualify as great in my book either. You have to sub a couple noncans to have great submissions based on MMA in my book. I don't really have any evidence that suggest Mir is great at BJJ from what I have seen he is pretty good to really good but it hard to judge. Werdum is probably the best real HW BJJ Player and the best guys who are giving up 20-30 pounds like Jacare and Roger can beat him. If you have a superior size, strength, and wrestling advantage it really isn't that unlikely for you to beat a lot of the HW BJJ guys in submission grappling as long as you are at least good at BJJ.
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:44 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Now are we talkin' roided, juiced up Barnett?? Cuz if so then...no.

Seriously though I see Barnett losing to Reem, Cain, JDS, Fedor and Brock.

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Old 06-19-2011, 05:12 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Barnett is a catch wrestler and Fedor is from Sambo and doesn't train BJJ at all because he thinks it is the same thing. Neither of them qualify as great in my book either. You have to sub a couple noncans to have great submissions based on MMA in my book. I don't really have any evidence that suggest Mir is great at BJJ from what I have seen he is pretty good to really good but it hard to judge. Werdum is probably the best real HW BJJ Player and the best guys who are giving up 20-30 pounds like Jacare and Roger can beat him. If you have a superior size, strength, and wrestling advantage it really isn't that unlikely for you to beat a lot of the HW BJJ guys in submission grappling as long as you are at least good at BJJ.
Fedor has submitted:
mark Coleman
TIm Sylvia
Matt Lindland
he has also passed Big nog's guard many times, even reserve his transaction.
He also has 14 submission victory
Barnett has submitted
Dan Severn...he also won:
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Old 06-19-2011, 11:11 PM   #54 (permalink)
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barnett has no real weaknesses.
Other than his love of manufactured testosterone. I just can not be a fan of anybody who constantly cheats. It is just not what martial arts are about!

Fighting all juiced up is disrespectful to all that you fight and all that watch you fight.

Now dont get me wrong, he has skills, no way to say he doesnt. But I could never support him!
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Barnetts ground is at the top of the scale in Heavyweight MMA grappling terms. I'd say Werdum probably has a slightly better ground game, but i would put Josh ahead of BJJ Blackbelts like Mir or Nelson as far as MMA goes.

But in the grand scheme of grappling he, like Werdum, is good and near the top of the food chain, but not great. The title of greatness should be reserved for those like Roger and Jacare.

Anyway i see Barnett beating everyone but for Overeem, Cain and Brock. I'd give it 50/50 with Junior depending if he could get the takedown or not. He could easily be a top 5 Heavyweight in the world.
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Old 06-26-2011, 11:19 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Barnett would be top 10 in the UFC but never champion.
He would not beat Cain,JDS,Brock,Carwin he might beat Mir, Nelson and Big Nog...the rest I could see him beat for sure but might even lose to some of the lower guys.

also Rogers is a bum so judging anything from that fight is just crazy.
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Barnett would be top 10 in the UFC but never champion.
He would not beat Cain,JDS,Brock,Carwin he might beat Mir, Nelson and Big Nog...the rest I could see him beat for sure but might even lose to some of the lower guys.

also Rogers is a bum so judging anything from that fight is just crazy.
yeah rogers is a bum but still, he had ring rust and dominated that fool like he should have, barnett is good enough to beat anyone when he fights at his best, he has 3 losses to cro cop(talk about a bad match up) 1 loss to big nog and 1 loss to rizzo in 35 fights, thats not bad and he has beat some legit fighters and is well rounded. ill tell you another person i have big wraps on and who will be a champion one day, Daniel Cormier.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:10 PM   #58 (permalink)
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yeah rogers is a bum but still, he had ring rust and dominated that fool like he should have, barnett is good enough to beat anyone when he fights at his best, he has 3 losses to cro cop(talk about a bad match up) 1 loss to big nog and 1 loss to rizzo in 35 fights, thats not bad and he has beat some legit fighters and is well rounded. ill tell you another person i have big wraps on and who will be a champion one day, Daniel Cormier.
Yeah I agree he's legit for sure, top 10 without a doubt maybe even top 5 but I can't see him ever becoming champ.
Cormier is looking good as well, I'm excited to see where he goes from here. That wrestling base of his is a good start & his boxing is looking quite decent.

As for Barnetts weakness I would say his striking is overrated. wrestling and groundgame is top caliber but striking is average. I could see him get in a bunch of trouble against a guy like Cain or maybe even Carwin if he can't take him down.
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